lindape54
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Truce
« on: Today at 03:04:12 PM »
Cheryl
Can we agree to disagree? SOSEN is bigger that both of us, These members need us.
equal justice
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Re: Truce
« Reply #1 on: Today at 03:06:34 PM »
Just what did you have in mind?
lindape54
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Re: Truce
« Reply #2 on: Today at 03:07:56 PM »
Quote from: equal justice on Today at 03:06:34 PM
Just what did you have in mind?Just what I said A TRUCE
equal justice
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Re: Truce
« Reply #3 on: Today at 04:29:46 PM »
It is kind of easy for you to declare a truce. You hold all the cards. On my end, nothing has changed. You still do not stand behind me in any way, Lets still has his stupid name and is allowed to lie on the forum as to what it means, when WE all know what it means, the posts making me sound like Stalin or Hitler still go unchallenged.
Seems like it is a win win situation for you. I get squashed like an irritating mosquito?
That sounds more like a full surrender of my authority, my reputation, and the damage done to me emotionally in the last 24 hours.Lets gets off scott free as usual to continue his behavior, the only one who has suffered here is me.
The only one with tire marks all over them is me.You are not asking for a truce here Linda.
I was ready for a truce since yesterday morning when I begged you to help me out in this situation. I just got my hat handed to me. I was ready to talk it out yesterday when topwop wanted to have a teleconference…I guess it just was not important enough to you. I was ready to talk to you yesterday when I called and you would not answer.I was ready to talk to you today when I called and you would not answer.
You stab me in the back, straight thru my heart and you just want to say, let’s just forget about my little betrayal of you Cheryl.
Well that sound real purty, but not real fair.
Top asked me what I wanted yesterday. I told him. I am sure he told you.
I would say Lets compromise Linda
Furebear
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Re: Truce
« Reply #4 on: Today at 05:50:08 PM »
Is there anything I can do to help put this behind us? Please, work this out. You both are KEY people to our success. We are all parts of a “Whole” here and if one part of the “Whole” is missing or out of sink, then we are all out of sink and nothing moves ahead.
I know. evil6
What if we lock you two in a room until only one survives or you hug and make up. tongue3
So, can I help? Cause WE ALL need both of your’s help and support.
Respectfully,
Calvin
aka: FurEBear
static
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Re: Truce
« Reply #5 on: Today at 06:21:03 PM »
Wow. Did I pick a bad time to take a break or what? (Or maybe it was good timing… happy7)
Reading this stuff reminds me of Stitches saying there was a coup planned- I wonder if maybe she knew something we didn’t?
Lets asked me to call him the other day under the pretense of him asking for some information for his Oklahoma site. But he spent the majority of the call griping about Cheryl. I was as diplomatic as possible. I think he has every intention of trying to run Cheryl out of Sosen. He believes he is more popular with the membership than Cheryl, and I was left with the distinct impression that he was definitely not going to let up. At that time, I thought Staff was in agreement about Lets, so I didn’t worry too much about him or his plans. From what I could tell, his big “plan” consisted of “smiting” Cheryl’s Karma and having all his “allies” boost everyone else’s Karma. This seemed pretty stupid, so I didn’t take it very seriously.
Just for the record, I’ll let everyone know exactly where I agree and disagree with Lets. And I’ll say what not very many seem to be willing to say- that Lets and his cronies are doing everything possible to disrupt the forum (this is true whether you agree or disagree with them about Cheryl), and that it’s way past time to put a stop to it.
I agree with Lets that Staff should have had more of a voice in the decision to ask me to be Secretary, and more voice on new staff-members. It’s true that it was discussed many times in teleconferences, but there are several Staff-members who have a hard time attending the teleconferences regularly. So, yes- there should have been more discussion on the Staff-forum. He made a good point, but he basically went off on everyone, instead of simply discussing the issue- in fact, he caused a stink where none was necessary. I also agree with Lets that he was left a bit high and dry with the symposium. But again, part of the reason was that he went off half-cocked and screwed it up, so no one had any desire to come in and try to fix it (with the inevitable stink Lets would have raised at every step). Lets has some good ideas, but he then promotes the shit out of them (and himself) until everyone just gets sick of it, and gives up. Then he bitches afterward, both here and on the open forum.
I also see that he has some kind of personal beef with Cheryl, and is willing to bring down the forum to “get” her. And this is fast becoming a debacle. What bothers me most about this is that FG is acting in collusion with him, and they’ve drawn Tikibug into this as well. We as Staff, had better decide what our collective response will be before they divide and conquer Sosen. I personally don’t care whether Lets stays or goes, but Buggy and FG are very important to Sosen- and they are what makes this a difficult situation to deal with. If it were just Lets, we could tell him to take a hike, and he’d soon end up at Soclear where he belongs and where his particular brand of “advocacy” would be more than welcome I’m sure. But losing FG and Buggy would be pretty bad for Sosen.
It seems what they are primarily pissed about is deletion of posts- well, imo, ALL their stupid posts ought to be deleted. This isn’t the “Letsgetreal50 Fanclub”, and there’s simply no reason to let them turn Sosen into that. Indeed, Lets “does what he does”. He just needs to do it elsewhere until he can figure out how to contribute as an adult, IMO.
Cheryl- You’re right that you were the first one to speak up for Linda at SOA, and it was obvious that your defense of her was out of love. You have both given your blood, sweat, and tears to Sosen, and I doubt either of you will abandon the cause just because of some bullshit Lets is pulling. Getting you two fighting is exactly what he wants, so at this moment he is winning. I’ve had arguments with both you and Linda before, and I’ve felt like leaving many times. But in the end, we have to unite or we are doomed. I know you love Linda, and I also know that she loves you. Yes, she was out of line bringing up your personal medical stuff here- and she should apologize. But she’s right that you need to stop addressing the “Lets problem” on the forum- you’re giving him what he wants, and he’ll keep it up as long as he’s getting the payoff for his stupid behavior. Let’s all be honest here- Lets ain’t going anywhere. Sosen is his life. And I doubt FG or Buggy are going to go anywhere either. And when it comes down to it, this is our forum to moderate as we see fit. There’s nothing wrong with listening to our members’ complaints and trying to alleviate their concerns, but when it becomes obvious (as it is here) that someone is intentionally disrupting our forum, we’d be wise to act in unison. Otherwise, Sosen is toast.
The best thing for all of us to do right now as Staff is to figure out some kind of united approach to take. This means we’d better stop picking sides and all get on the same side quickly- Lets is more of a threat to Sosen than he at first appears to be. If he’s PMing other members ( and he is doing that) trying to turn them against Staff, then he needs to be met with a united Staff which will take no bullshit from him. If we lose him or other members because of standing together, so be it. Most will come back- the ones that won’t aren’t so important that we should let them bring down Sosen. Linda and Cheryl’s problems with each other will be worked out- I know both of you are more reasonable than you are acting- so let’s put our differences aside or work them out, and use this thread to come up with a joint response before Sosen falls apart around us.
This much is clear- whether anyone feels Cheryl’s response to Lets and FG was right or wrong, I think we all agree with her that Lets’ behavior is destructive and unacceptable. THIS is the primary issue. We need to deal with the Lets problem separately from our individual disagreements. And -make no mistake- the Lets problem is the priority here. Everything else should be secondary. Lets stated that he was going to work against Sosen, and so far he has done exactly what he said he’d do. I’m not so sure that this isn’t the “coup” Stitches was talking about. Either way, he told us his intentions, and his every action backs up what he said. If he’s working against Sosen, it’s high-time we put a stop to it. If this is just a phase he’s going through, then it’ll work out over time. If it’s not, we’re wasting time arguing when we have a serious problem to deal with. The only thing that’s going to fix the problem is a united Staff acting as one. Let the chips fall where they may.
To coin a phrase- let’s git er done. We do what WE do- period.
equal justice
SOSEN Staff
Member
Re: Truce
« Reply #6 on: Today at 06:21:46 PM »
Thanks for your concern Furebear
My work and support for sosen has always been there. SOSEN has been my life. This cause has been my life for 4 years.
It breaks my heart that the person I have worked beside thru thick and thin, and there have been some VERY extreme times, would choose my resignation over 2 mild sentences in one thread. I could not be more hurt if she had stabbed me literally.
Topwop has already volunteered to moderate a teleconference yesterday, but Linda must have refused because I accepted and have mentioned it here several times and it has not happened nor has Linda said anything about it.
As has been apparent in the last now 2 days, Linda talks a good game but there is no action there.
Believe me, I have worked my butt off for SOSEN. I could go on and on, but there is no point.
I would have never believed it would ever come to something like this.I got up yesterday morning in a pretty good mood and then I looked at my email and read Let’s message to sosen staff and saw the name he is going by, then he and his pal flower start in on me.
Yes, I made a strong statement in the conversation vs confrontation thread. Considering Let’s behavior since the OK symposium went bust and even more since he was not asked to be in BOD, and the way he chose to come back…as COO I felt a strong stance was called for. I did not name any names, but did make some “if the shoe fits” statements.All within my rights and job description. It was important to me as it was ME that Lets anger had been directed at this time, and it was ME flower was targeting with her posts.
I asked flower to take it to PM’s and she would not.
I did not delete anything and I asked, then begged linda to handle it IN THE THREAD and she assured me she would.
Then, oops, she changed her mind and left me hanging out to dry.Even after I told her if this situation with Lets and his challenging my authority and making me sound like Hitler was not resolved I would have to quit. It was like, so what, bye bye then. SHE DID NOTHING!
She still refuses to see that the little she would have needed to do to make the situation totally go away and her refusal to do that little bit, flies in the face, not just of our supposed friendship, but in the value that I have been to SOSEN. It reduces me to being less important to SOSEN than someone even Linda calls a “loose cannon”.
I do not see how I could continue to function as COO in an organization who not only places no value on my work and position, but that position is meaningless without any authority.
I quite literally begged her yesterday, but all I got was a very cold shoulder and indifference
SO as much as Linda APEARS to want a solution to this situation, when the rubber meets the road, it is all talk.
equal justice
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Re: Truce
« Reply #7 on: Today at 06:46:01 PM »
THANK GOD ALMIGHTY! A VOICE OF REASON! ONE THAT IS NOT AFRAID TO SPEAK HIS MIND!
Quote from: static on Today at 06:21:03 PM
Wow. Did I pick a bad time to take a break or what? (Or maybe it was good timing… happy7)Reading this stuff reminds me of Stitches saying there was a coup planned- I wonder if maybe she knew something we didn’t? I have said that very same thing here, and considering what has gone on in the last 2 days at the very least, it would not surprise me if Lets is not in cahoots with her…he wants me gone that badly. NOW I am NOT saying he IS in cahoots with her, just that I would not be surprised.
Lets asked me to call him the other day under the pretense of him asking for some information for his Oklahoma site. But he spent the majority of the call griping about Cheryl. I was as diplomatic as possible. I think he has every intention of trying to run Cheryl out of Sosen. He believes he is more popular with the membership than Cheryl, and I was left with the distinct impression that he was definitely not going to let up. At that time, I thought Staff was in agreement about Lets, so I didn’t worry too much about him or his plans. From what I could tell, his big “plan” consisted of “smiting” Cheryl’s Karma and having all his “allies” boost everyone else’s Karma. This seemed pretty stupid, so I didn’t take it very seriously.I have complained about Lets pm ing people bad mouthing me and that it needs to stop. Nothing is done to stop it, because, of course, its only Cheryl he is ripping to shreds, not linda this time, so its ok. THAT is EXACTLY why I made the general post I did. Lets took OFFENSE because HE DAMN WELL KNEW HE WAS GUILTY!
Just for the record, I’ll let everyone know exactly where I agree and disagree with Lets. And I’ll say what not very many seem to be willing to say- that Lets and his cronies are doing everything possible to disrupt the forum (this is true whether you agree or disagree with them about Cheryl), and that it’s way past time to put a stop to it.AMEN to that
I agree with Lets that Staff should have had more of a voice in the decision to ask me to be Secretary, and more voice on new staff-members. It’s true that it was discussed many times in teleconferences, but there are several Staff-members who have a hard time attending the teleconferences regularly. So, yes- there should have been more discussion on the Staff-forum. He made a good point, but he basically went off on everyone, instead of simply discussing the issue- in fact, he caused a stink where none was necessary. I also agree with Lets that he was left a bit high and dry with the symposium. But again, part of the reason was that he went off half-cocked and screwed it up, so no one had any desire to come in and try to fix it (with the inevitable stink Lets would have raised at every step). Lets has some good ideas, but he then promotes the shit out of them (and himself) until everyone just gets sick of it, and gives up. Then he bitches afterward, both here and on the open forum.
I also see that he has some kind of personal beef with Cheryl, and is willing to bring down the forum to “get” her. Yes but that does not seem to matter as long as he is kissing Linda’s ass at the same time And this is fast becoming a debacle. What bothers me most about this is that FG is acting in collusion with him, and they’ve drawn Tikibug into this as well.That is pretty obvious also to anyone who cares to REALLY look at the situation We as Staff, had better decide what our collective response will be before they divide and conquer Sosen.I have told Linda multiple times when Lets has emailed her saying horrible things about me and telling her how wonderful she is that this was EXACTLY what he was doing. Her response was something about him not having a chance in hell of that working….OH YEA LINDA? I personally don’t care whether Lets stays or goes, but Buggy and FG are very important to Sosen- and they are what makes this a difficult situation to deal with.I have been big enough to NEVER ask for Lets or anyone else to go no matter how badly they treated me…I only begged for Linda to put a stop to it. I am beginning to believe she had started enjoying both Lets and Flower telling her how very wonderful she is, while I am getting slammed. OH not enjoying that I am getting slammed, but the positive attention that was getting her. If it were just Lets, we could tell him to take a hike, and he’d soon end up at Soclear where he belongs and where his particular brand of “advocacy” would be more than welcome I’m sure. But losing FG and Buggy would be pretty bad for Sosen.
It seems what they are primarily pissed about is deletion of posts- well, imo, ALL their stupid posts ought to be deleted. This isn’t the “Letsgetreal50 Fanclub”, and another big AMEN to that, but its all a part of the game he is playingand there’s simply no reason to let them turn Sosen into that. Indeed, Lets “does what he does”. He just needs to do it elsewhere until he can figure out how to contribute as an adult, IMO.
Cheryl- You’re right that you were the first one to speak up for Linda at SOA, and it was obvious that your defense of her was out of love. You have both given your blood, sweat, and tears to Sosen, and I doubt either of you will abandon the cause just because of some bullshit Lets is pulling. Getting you two fighting is exactly what he wants, so at this moment he is winning.Yes that is true. But I cannot be effective as COO or STAFF if I am not backed up. I just end up looking like a big mean fool. I’ve had arguments with both you and Linda before, and I’ve felt like leaving many times. But in the end, we have to unite or we are doomed. I know you love Linda, and I also know that she loves you. Yes, she was out of line bringing up your personal medical stuff here- and she should apologize. But she’s right that you need to stop addressing the “Lets problem” on the forum- you’re giving him what he wants, and he’ll keep it up as long as he’s getting the payoff for his stupid behavior.I hear what you are saying here static. Like I said that crap yesterday with him was just the straw that broke this cammels back. When Linda refused to put an end to their game and started in on ME, when she refused to have my back it just broke my heart Let’s all be honest here- Lets ain’t going anywhere. Sosen is his life. And I doubt FG or Buggy are going to go anywhere either. And when it comes down to it, this is our forum to moderate as we see fit.except of course, for me. I even attempt to do my job and I am simply made a fool of or accused of being Hitleresque There’s nothing wrong with listening to our members’ complaints and trying to alleviate their concerns, but when it becomes obvious (as it is here) that someone is intentionally disrupting our forum, we’d be wise to act in unison. Otherwise, Sosen is toast. AND A FINAL AMEN
The best thing for all of us to do right now as Staff is to figure out some kind of united approach to take. This means we’d better stop picking sides and all get on the same side quickly- Lets is more of a threat to Sosen than he at first appears to be. If he’s PMing other members ( and he is doing that) trying to turn them against Staff, then he needs to be met with a united Staff which will take no bullshit from him.Whick is exactly what I was trying to do If we lose him or other members because of standing together, so be it. Most will come back- the ones that won’t aren’t so important that we should let them bring down Sosen. Linda and Cheryl’s problems with each other will be worked out- I know both of you are more reasonable than you are acting- so let’s put our differences aside or work them out, and use this thread to come up with a joint response before Sosen falls apart around us.
This much is clear- whether anyone feels Cheryl’s response to Lets and FG was right or wrong, I think we all agree with her that Lets’ behavior is destructive and unacceptable. THIS is the primary issue. We need to deal with the Lets problem separately from our individual disagreements. And -make no mistake- the Lets problem is the priority here. Everything else should be secondary. Lets stated that he was going to work against Sosen, and so far he has done exactly what he said he’d do. I’m not so sure that this isn’t the “coup” Stitches was talking about. Either way, he told us his intentions, and his every action backs up what he said. If he’s working against Sosen, it’s high-time we put a stop to it. If this is just a phase he’s going through, then it’ll work out over time. If it’s not, we’re wasting time arguing when we have a serious problem to deal with. The only thing that’s going to fix the problem is a united Staff acting as one. Let the chips fall where they may.
To coin a phrase- let’s git er done. We do what WE do- period.
billm
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Re: Truce
« Reply #8 on: Today at 06:49:20 PM »
Thanks Static, Am happy to know I’m not the only staff member that can see through Let’s intentions.
equal justice
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Re: Truce
« Reply #10 on: Today at 09:26:56 PM »
Quote from: billm on Today at 06:49:20 PM
Thanks Static, Am happy to know I’m not the only staff member that can see through Let’s intentions.
ME TOO!
I can’t tell you how totally defeated and hated I have been feeling. I worked very hard to fix my reputation after Shirley pulled the same crap that Lets has been doing. All people heard was Shirleys side of the story and it made me sound like a horrible person.It took some time for people to begin to get to know me without their vision colored by lies.
Now it is happening again via emails and pms and on the fourm and I am again rendered powerless.
Last time, I had someone to work WITH tho. Someone to support me.I just don’t have the energy to do this again. I fought to show Shirley to staff and BOD for who she was, I did that. It was a hell of a time. But Lets, come on, he is just a bully. HIS way or the highway.
Now I am the first to say we have to be careful what goes up on the fourm because of the Anti’s but we cannot let the Anti’s run SOSEN either or we might as well close up shop too. If we cannot put manipulating bullies in their place because we are so afraid of AZ we are in sad shape.
I did it on SOA and they put me on the front page of AZ, but that did not hurt me. The only thing they could do to hurt me is to say horrible things about SOSEN and about Linda, and I darn well took care of that!If we start to back down to ANY bullies and allow them to steal our lunch, we are rendered ineffective.
If we cannot present a unified front as the BOD and as Staff, we are rendered useless. NO ONE PERSON RUNS SOSEN!
But we must stand together or we don’t stand.
Lets has been allowed to run this forum by subterfuge and manipulation and it must stop.
I have no idea how much damage he has done to my reputation with the membership, but if it is allowed to continue, and I can’t stand up for myself, and no one else will stand up for the COO, there is no COO, there is just a fool who is being slammed.I know that none of you were taking sides in this. I don’t expect you too. I would never put you in that position. This fighting stuff is too painfull. I am not thanking you for taking my “side” cuz thats not what it was. I am thanking you for validating that I am not crazy and this is happening, and it is serious if allowed to continue.
God Bless you all. ((((HUG ))))
klpsupermom
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Re: Truce
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2008, 11:16:59 PM »
I’m glad you are back Static!! Help them work this out please!!!!??
topwop
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Re: Truce
« Reply #12 on: Today at 01:58:06 AM »
THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO AIR OUT PERSONAL DIFFERENCES!!!!!!!
TIME AND TIME AGAIN WE HAVE STATED THAT PERSONAL DIFFERENCES SHOULD BE SENT BY PM OR PERSONAL PHONE CALL.
THIS SHOULD NEVER, NEVER, NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO SPILL INTO NATIONAL.
I TAKE THE SIDE OF WHATS BEST FOR SOSEN AND ITS MEMBERS, PERIOD.
I WILL MAKE TWO THINGS PERFECTLY CLEAR.1. LINDA IS THE CEO AND THE BUCK STOPS WITH HER. IF “ANYONE” HAS A PROBLEM WITH HER, REAL OR PRECIEVED THEY NEED TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND “TALK” TO HER, SHE IS ALWAYS QUIET ACCESSABLE. I STAND BEHIND HER 100%
2. CHERYL AS COO I HAVE STOOD BEHIND YOU ALSO. BUT YOUR PICTURE OF A BATTERED WOMAN WITH TAPE OVER HER MOUTH DISGUSTS ME. THIS IS NOT HOW YOU LEAD BY EXAMPLE AND IN MY OPINOIN IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY!!!!!
I HAVE OFFERED TO MEDIATE A CONFERENCE CALL BETWEEN LINDA, CHERYL, LETS, FLOWER AND BILL. THAT OFFER STILL STANDS AND IT IS “MY” FAULT IT HAS NOT HAPPENED. I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO CONTACT EVERYONE. DO NOT ASSUME OR READ ANYTHING ELSE INTO IT.
THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO SPREAD TO ANYONE ELSE.
DO NOT START PICKING SIDES.
NO ONE ELSE NEED GET INVOLVED.
THIS IS A BUMP IN THE ROAD AND WILL PASS, WE DO NOT NEED PERMANENT DAMAGE FROM THIS.
EVERYONE “PLEASE” STEP BACK AND STOP POSTING TO THESE NEGATIVE THREADS.
THANK YOU.topwop
equal justice
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Member
Re: Truce
« Reply #13 on: Today at 09:25:09 AM »
Quote from: topwop on Today at 01:58:06 AM
THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO AIR OUT PERSONAL DIFFERENCES!!!!!!!I know you have not been able to be around much Top but this is exactly the place to discuss management matters
TIME AND TIME AGAIN WE HAVE STATED THAT PERSONAL DIFFERENCES SHOULD BE SENT BY PM OR PERSONAL PHONE CALL.I tried that, Linda did not answer the phone. She told static that she was not home…funny, she was POSTING in SOSEN at the time.
THIS SHOULD NEVER, NEVER, NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO SPILL INTO NATIONAL. I have got to agree with you there. The problem is, that Lets refuses to stop his destructive vendetta. He has admitted he is out to get me and so far nothing has been done to stop that. It was just FINE for Cheryl bashing to go on back here in staff but when some people posted their agreement, not with ME but with the Fact of Lets destructive behavior, YOU call it taking sides and start yelling. Hmmm There is a real statement in that.
I TAKE THE SIDE OF WHATS BEST FOR SOSEN AND ITS MEMBERS, PERIOD. We agree on that one.
I WILL MAKE TWO THINGS PERFECTLY CLEAR.1. LINDA IS THE CEO AND THE BUCK STOPS WITH HER. IF “ANYONE” HAS A PROBLEM WITH HER, REAL OR PRECIEVED THEY NEED TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND “TALK” TO HER, SHE IS ALWAYS QUIET ACCESSABLE. I STAND BEHIND HER 100% I thnk we are aware of where you stand. Have been for a long time. What is best for SOSEN is NOT a popularity contest. This “the buck stops here is really getting old and way overused. BOD ALL has ONE vote. I can’t count the times Linda has said that she and I are interchangeable. The daily operating of the forum is MY JOB. Linda is the schmoozer. I was trying to do my job. If I had wanted to be a hard ass, I would have simply thrown Lets and his pals asses out of sosen. I did not do that. We have a real problem on the forum. Lets is constantly on his pm and on the phone. He is spreading garbage about me and trying to turn people against me. He is and has been misquoting me and harassing me on the fourms. He has issued an “in your face” statement to staff. This cannot be allowed to go on. I have tried to stay away from Lets so he would have no excuse to cry foul. I posted a statement in a thread that was discussing conversation vs confrontation about using PM and email to slam other members and how destructive that was. ONLY THE GUILTY WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT~ AND THEY DID! Lets and Flower’s response was to put words that I did not say into my mouth and try to stir shit up. I asked them to put it into pms twice[/ they just kept on. IN order to have this escalate further, I asked Linda, who Lets has now decided is his best pal also, to step in with two lousy and needed statements. She has asked me for back up on many occasions and it was always immediately provided. She has been "trying" to control Lets for a long time now and has failed miserably. This is because she has been trying to schmooze him so he does not get mad at HER. This does not work with Lets, give him an inch and he takes 10 miles. If we cannot be united and support each other on the forums we are lost. If we allow a bully to run roughshod over the forum out of fear, we are lost. color]
2. CHERYL AS COO I HAVE STOOD BEHIND YOU ALSO. BUT YOUR PICTURE OF A BATTERED WOMAN WITH TAPE OVER HER MOUTH DISGUSTS ME. THIS IS NOT HOW YOU LEAD BY EXAMPLE AND IN MY OPINOIN IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY!!!!! She does not look abused to me, only muted. That is EXACTLY what I have been, MUTED and rendered useless. I actually wish she DID look abused, I sure the hell do feel abused.
I HAVE OFFERED TO MEDIATE A CONFERENCE CALL BETWEEN LINDA, CHERYL, LETS, FLOWER AND BILL. THAT OFFER STILL STANDS AND IT IS “MY” FAULT IT HAS NOT HAPPENED. I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO CONTACT EVERYONE. DO NOT ASSUME OR READ ANYTHING ELSE INTO IT. WellI have mentioned this teleconference three or four times and no one said anything about not hearing about one. You seemed quite anxious about getting it done and I agreed, since no one spoke up and said they were not invited to one, and since Linda refused to answer her phone, well, it seemed apparent that it was not agreed upon.
THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO SPREAD TO ANYONE ELSE. No one seems to be spreading it any where else. My side of what is going on seems to be well contained, while Lets is REALLY busy with his PM button. If he is not controlled and damned soon, the harm will be too great. That seems to be the elephant in the room that is being ignored. Lets has been busy spreading his propaganda and building his army since he was not asked to be on the BOD. He has been advertising HIS SITE AND HIS FORUM and even asking for donations, he as also been PROMOTING Soclear. He is slandering me behind our backs and on the forum misquoting my words and making me sound like some dictator. He is telling us with every post that HE IS GOING TO DO WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO and we have, by our silence and inaction given him our permission. THIS HAS ALREADY SPREAD. What in the hell are we so afraid of?
DO NOT START PICKING SIDES.No one is picking sides
NO ONE ELSE NEED GET INVOLVED.Who is the no one else who needs to get involved? Since having more of staff weigh in on their opinions seems to have gotten you infuriated, and they are the only ones who have “gotten involved” it apears that this is what you mean. Since when did we start telling staff and other BOD members that they could not get involved? That they could express an opinion? Or is that only if their opinion mirrors yours and Lindas?
THIS IS A BUMP IN THE ROAD AND WILL PASS, WE DO NOT NEED PERMANENT DAMAGE FROM THIS.The permanent damage is already happening. IT is happening while Lets is busy on this forum singing his own praises and garnering support for LETS! It is happening because NOTHING has been done to resolve this. It has been happening because Let has been and continues to email, call and pm our members working very hard at divide and conquer and Linda is refusing to stop it. After all, she is the one with the wet butt from all the ass kissing.
EVERYONE “PLEASE” STEP BACK AND STOP POSTING TO THESE NEGATIVE THREADS. Interesting, nobody posted to them except Linda and me until yesterday when some other staff and a BOD member spoke up. It just happens that they see the damage Lets is doing…they are NOT taking sides…and NOW you want to silence them…VERY interesting.
Since you posted this very one sided post, it is obvious that there is no way you can possibly be impartial. Since you support Linda in this 100% I think you would be worthless as a moderator. If we are going to settle this, it needs to be an ALL staff teleconference so everyone can weigh in. Again, just because others recognize what lets and friends are doing and the fact that it needs to stop, does NOT mean they are taking sides. THEY ARE NOT!
Our members are adults. We should not treat them as children. We cannot allow AZ spies to dictate every word we are allowed to put on our forums. Should we submit all posts for their approval before we post them? If we censor ourselves to the point of giving up control of SOSEN to disgruntled members and destructive behavior we have already let them win. Simply letting Lets and Flower know that they are playing games and it should stop is not a problem… It is a necessity. We have played the pm and email card. It did not work. Lets was let back in this forum even tho he did so with a letter to management telling them he was going to do whatever he wanted to do was a huge mistake. Allowing him to continue is a huge mistake. Being afraid to take back control from a bully is a big mistake. Hanging the COO out to dry and allowing a campaign to destroy her makes her a fool and worthless as a COO. There is no solution to this problem as long as the elephant in the room is ignored.
The longer this continues the worse it gets. When we reorganized the BOD we worked to make it impossible for ONE person to make the decisions for the entire organization. We saw how destructive that was under Shirley. We set it up so that there was no “THE BUCK STOPS HERE”. That is total bull crap and Linda knows it. We cannot function as management of anything if we do not present a united front. I have NEVER NEVER NEVER not 100% supported Linda. NEVER! I would never have dreamed of it. I am still in shock over this and the longer the intense pain and ridicule goes on the more impossible it is for this situation to have any positive resolution. The day this started Top called me and asked me if I would agree to a teleconference to discuss this, I agreed, it did not happen. I have called Linda twice, she has not ansered the phone. Last night Static called both Linda and me and I agreed to a huge compromise. Linda did not.
There apears to be nothing more that I can do. I have been quite cruely put in my place, and that place is NO WHERE! I am so sick and tired of this whole mess. It should never have happened in the first place NEVER! I have tried and tried to work this out. I cannot do that by myself. Linda, the buck stop here, has spoken and I am beaten down, humiliated, and effectivly destroyed in the very forum I built with my own two hands.
You want this stopped? Linda was the one who posted Cheryl come back and lets talk. There was never a compromise or solution suggested. ONLY Linda’s this is the way it is. If you guys want to go back to a dictatorship with a leader who does not support you in a time of need. OK. I have never been in this for a popularity contest. I have been in this to fight these insane oppressive laws. I have been in this to make the BEST SOSEN it can be. I am tired and whipped, I am done.
THANK YOU.topwop
lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member
Re: Truce
« Reply #14 on: Today at 10:06:01 AM »
FOR THE LAST TIME. Cheryl, ROD WAS WRONG PERIOD This is about me not letting you make personal attacks in the forum. IT IS AGAINST THE RULES. We must lead by example. I didn’t render you “ineffective” GEEZ I stopped you from embarrassing yourself and SOSEN on the open forum. This IS NOT high school. We are supposed to be professionals.
Now lets stop this nonsense sing KUMBIAH and put this behind us
lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member
Re: Truce
« Reply #15 on: Today at 10:06:50 AM »
BTW Your Avatar is STUPID
equal justice
SOSEN Staff
Member
Re: Truce
« Reply #16 on: Today at 10:26:38 AM »
WOW I guess this continues to say it all. That was sure a conciliatory post drippingwithsarcasm
I honestly tried. I tried on the day this happened. I begged Linda to stop the subterfuge that is and has been going on in the forum. She told me on the phone she would…then she refused.
I made no personal attacks. NONE! I made a general statement against something that SHOULD be obvious to everyone that should not be allowed. GENERAL ANOUNCEMENT! It was ONLY PERSONAL if one was guilty of the misbehavior. We KNOW Lets was just that.
Linda has made her statement here. It is her way or the highway and Lets is allowed to control the forum. OK. Like I said in my earlier post Linda, you have made your point. I am tired and DO NOT wish to continue this. Leave me alone please. You got it, YOU WIN, THE BUCK CAN STOP WITH YOU! IT IS OVER! How else can I say it.
You have taken away any voice I could have on the forum. You have been effective at that. You choose to allow those who are working AGAINST SOSEN to continue to have their voice. Even tho I THOUGHT this was a ONE PERSON ONE VOTE management, it obviously has been allowed to evolve to a Queen ruled one again.
You REFUSE to listen to reason, you refuse to compromise. You refuse to reach out with anything but EMPTY words. SO LEAVE ME ALONE>
klpsupermom
SOSEN Staff
Member
Re: Truce
« Reply #20 on: Today at 11:11:40 AM »
I made another post on here in which no one replied. I don’t know all of the details, but I do agree that without standing United with SOSEN it will be defeated…then who wins??? The anti’s, the laws. This has become more of a battle of territory than about taking care of the organization, SOSEN. I was appalled by all of the bickering and badgering that was going on in the midst of restructuring (the Shirley downfall). People here need help, not a faultering of leadership…in my opinion. I think all need to step back and look at what is happening. Do you really want to tear SOSEN apart? I think the world of Linda and Cheryl. They have my utmost admiration and appreciation for all they do. Generally, they make a good team. Cheryl, I must say I do not like the battered lady. Your other one was much more professional and appealing (just my opinion). Like I said in my post, if this continues, I will have to back down too;nothing is getting accomplished here. Everyone in the forum has wounded hearts and lives from the SO issues, they don’t need or deserve this added stress. Maybe someone independent of the issues should help to moderate inappropriate posts. Please, please for the sake of SOSEN and our members put your differences aside!!!!
lobster1138
SOSEN Staff
Member
Re: Truce
« Reply #21 on: Today at 11:21:33 AM »
I would like to know staff’s opinion of the information provided by static.
As I pointed out in a pm, Lets is running a campaign that Hillary would be jealous of. It appears that he will succeed in his quest to destroy SOSEN.
Speak up staff. What is your opinion of the information provided by static?
i think static makes some very valid points… personally, i didn’t read the thread that seemed to start all this… there’s an internet slang phrase, “tl;dr” which means “too long, didn’t read”… i just don’t like “he said, she said” stuff… and i keep thinking of the name of this outfit SOSEN… Sex Offender Support and Education Network… Support and Education… if we can’t support each other then WTF?
this is my opinion: tie Lets in a burlap bag with a bobcat and throw him in the fucking river. i am sick of the problems that seem to follow him, and i’m sick of his “we need to do this, we need to make this happen”, then “why didn’t you do this, why didn’t you make this happen?” shit… he’s angry because his site isn’t getting the traffic he wants, he doesn’t have 400 members like SOSEN, so he wants SOSEN for his own, so he can have 400 members (power and control, a classic RFSO trait)… and he’s angry because things don’t happen as fast as he thinks they should happen, or how he thinks they should happen… well, welcome to the real fucking world, things don’t happen as fast as ANYBODY wants… if he wants to make things happen, there’s a whole big world for him to do it in, i don’t see anything stopping him except his own problems… i appreciate his conviction to the cause, but i’ve had it… he wants to ‘git er done’? fine, go fucking ‘git er done’, he doesn’t need us to do that…
i’ll take Cheryl over him any day of the week, hands down…
Please, Cheryl and Linda, Please stop arguing… don’t let this reach a point where you can’t turn it around…
sorry, i’m tired
equal justice
SOSEN Staff
Member
Re: Truce
« Reply #22 on: Today at 12:39:20 PM »
I have tried to dialogue, I have tried to compromise, I have telephoned Linda, I have agreed to teleconference that have never taken place. Other staff members have weighed in on how destructive Let’s is being to SOSEN with this WAR he has stated he is waging and how it has to be stopped with a UNIFIED management.
All of this has been ignored. I have spent 3 days of my life being confined to Staff for my posts. If I post anything Linda does not want to hear she deletes it. My priviledges have been taken away. I am beaten, battered, and bruised.
I now have to find a whole new life, as I had let SOSEN BE my life. That is not going to be easy to do. Especialy when I am so depressed and defeated by all this that I don’t even want to get out of bed.
I no longer have the where with all to continue this and wait to see if Linda is some day going to be willing to see the destruction Lets is causing or CARE about the harm he has done to me and my reputation on this forum.
I fought the good fight, I surrender.
LINDA: I think I have at least earned the right to say goodby to the members of SOSEN. I would like to post a farewell message as the past COO, STAFF MEMBER, and DIRECTOR OF MEDIA. Would you allow me to do that please?
I will mention NO NAMES, I will not slam your pals Lets and flower, and I have NEVER slammed you…EVER!
I ask for your permission because you are now the holder of the ultimate power at SOSEN. You have placed yourself there and there you can stay. I honestly do believe that the work that I have done since I joined SOSEN should afford me the right at least to say goodby. sad1
WHAT SAY YOU?If anyone would like to call me, my phone number is 239-368-6131 and my cell phone is 239-887-1955 but it is plugged in and recharging right now.
You have all been my dearest friends and it has been a joy to work with you all. I feel like an orphan. Please feel free to email me orcall cause I am going to miss you all very much. Love you guys…
lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member
Re: Truce
« Reply #23 on: Today at 12:54:00 PM »
Cheryl for the love of God, STOP! You are being rediculous. STOP Here you were right I WAS WRONG Now will you PLEASE knock off this stupid stupid bullshit
equal justice
SOSEN Staff
Member
Re: Truce
« Reply #24 on: Today at 01:45:42 PM »
Again, Linda that kind of post does not do anyone any good.
I just called linda to ask her in person if I could please post a resignation letter in National.
We tried to talk. She continued to place all the blame on me and refused to acknowledge the harm lets is doing.Oh but she did let me know that she and lobster are “working behind the scenes” to send a reprimand to Lets.
OH yea, reprimanding him has been really effective so far. NOT!
Not only that, but would it have been “effective” to let the REST of us know that this was going on? This “working behind the scenes?”
So on my THIRD phone call to Linda she finally answered. Unfortunatly she just yelled at me and told me this was all my fault and to stop being childish with multiple swear words thrown in. THEN SHE HUNG UP ON ME!
I am going to try to post a goodby letter anyway. She may just delete it like she has with so many other of my posts, but I will try.
It seems she did not like me talking back to her here in staff, and I did not like having to do it, and would never have believed it would come to this. I am so sorry everyone. I can’t tell you how sorry I am. There just is nothing more I can do.
Take good care.
lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member
Re: Truce
« Reply #25 on: Today at 01:54:50 PM »
Yes everyone it is all my fault. How many time have I said Lets is WRONG? How maany times have I asked Cheryl to PLEASE STop? I TALKED TO LETS!!!!!!! OFF THE FORUMMMMM!!!!
CHERYL STOP! We have having a BOD meeting Top is setting it up. Mori Lois BE THERE If after that you want to post something in national fine
NOW ACT LIKE A DAMN GROWN UP AND KNOCK IT OFF
equal justice
SOSEN Staff
Member
Re: Truce
« Reply #26 on: Today at 02:08:41 PM »
YOU have been talking to LETS off the forum and in private for months now…look where that has gotten us.
You refuse to have an adult dialogue…you just want to blame me and cuss and bluster.
I did my share of that. I admit. I was angry and hurt beyond belief. I apologize to the members here that have been put thru that. I was fighting for my life, which has been SOSEN. I do not want to be remembered for the ugliness of the last 3 days. Please replace that ugliness with a much better time.Linday your only response to my trying to reach a compromise has been yelling and name calling. I said, I can not do this anymore.
I have said more swear words in the last 3 days than I have in the last 3 years. This behavior is NOT ME!I cannot continue it. I am exhaused.
I asked for a STAFF AND BOD MEEING! I have been told for 3 days this was going to happen and it has not. Top has already weighed in on his position in capital letters.
We cannot even talk on the phone without your yelling, cussing and hanging up on me.
In case you have been unable to notice, I HAVE stopped. It has done no good. I ask YOU, please stop.
equal justice
SOSEN Staff
Member
Re: Truce
« Reply #27 on: Today at 02:16:53 PM »
Linda hung up on me again before I could finish my sentence to her.
NO I will not be at a board meeting tonight.
If we had a STAFF AND BOARD meeting, I would agree to it. But not just a board meeting. Hey, I ain’t stupid. sad5
topwop
SOSEN Staff
Member
topwop@gallatinriver.net
Re: Truce
« Reply #28 on: Today at 04:58:36 PM »
To Staff:
The CEO of SOSEN has called a Board of Directors Meeting to end this discussion.
We will do as you have elected us to do, and that is direct. All SOSEN Board Members have been contacted.We will be having our weekly Staff meeting tomorrow at the same place, same time.
Thank you for your patience.topwop
equal justice
SOSEN Staff
Member
Re: Truce
« Reply #29 on: Today at 05:07:11 PM »
OHH OHH OHH did Linda call you for your help in this???
Thanks so much for the clarification..
I am sure you can be Linda’s next COO. She will do much better with someone who is behind her 100% no matter what ANYONE else thinks.
I have decided I will attend your board meeting after all. That is as long as it is not the cluster fu*k that it looks like it is going to be.
BUT what else can it be when all Linda will do is scream at me and call me names?THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ HAS SPOKEN! We must obey.
lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member
Re: Truce
« Reply #17 on: Today at 10:36:55 AM »
I give up. I QUIT Cheryl SOSEN is now all yours
billm
SOSEN Staff
Member
Re: Truce
« Reply #18 on: Today at 10:40:46 AM »
Speak up staff. What is your opinion of the infornation provided by static?
equal justice
SOSEN Staff
Member
Re: Truce
« Reply #19 on: Today at 11:05:27 AM »
Quote from: lindape54 on Today at 10:36:55 AM
I give up. I QUIT Cheryl SOSEN is now all yours
If I had wanted SOSEN to be all mine I would have accepted when Coolrich told me that he and Bennie had been talking ( back when we were reorganizing at Yahoo) and they wanted me to be the CEO. I refused then.
I told them that there was NO WAY I COULD HURT LINDA LIKE THAT! I said SHE IS MY FRIEND!
I told them that we could work just fine together and that our strengths TOGETHER would work out perfectly.AND IT HAS! Up until Lets began his devide and conquor campeign.
You and I disgussed, when you forwarded his raging emails to me and called me and told me of his phone calls to you, that he was trying to devide us by sucking up to you and filling you full of the bullshit that I was going to destroy SOSEN. YOUR REACTION!?
You laughed and said” THAT SURE AS HELL WILL NEVER HAPPEN” Well, it is happening. IT IS BEING ALLOWED TO HAPPEN!
You tried on your own to stop him, instead he manipulated the hell out of you. I have no idea how that was allowed to happen but it did. I do not WANT your job Linda, I never have. All I have ever wanted was for us to work together using BOTH of our strengths to make SOSEN the best, most powerful, effective RSO support and education network out there. We have been doing a damn good job. Until Lets power and control issues went wild when he was not asked to be a member of the BOARD. He had been bad enough since we did not put together the OK symposium for him, but he has shifted into high gear since he was not given the power of the BOARD position. LOL little does he realize how much of an illusion THAT is. His plan is to take a power control over SOSEN by hook or by crook and he is being allowed to do that right under our noses…Hell, he is IN YOU FACE about it.
Shirley “gave” me the postion of Chairman at least twice. Not only did I not want it, but Queen Shirley was not in a position to BESTOW that to anyone. Neither are you. I have always only wanted to work WITH you Linda. We were doing that until you started on this “I am the CEO! THE BUCK STOPS HERE” trip. WE could only work together as long as we WORKED TOGETHER!
You know in your heart of hearts that I have not and do not wish to engage in personal attacks on the forum. I only wanted to STOP the personal attacks. How you have been trying to do it has only given Lets and friends more power. Please stop using that as a weapon against me. It is not true. When my back was against the wall and I saw that you were not going to stop Lets, after warning you repeatedly that if he were not made to stop waging his “war” against me to our members, I would have to resign,I was crushed by your actions. You ripped my heart out. I decided to post my resignation in National and tell our ADULT membership what was going on. That was AFTER all the crap that led to this happened. It was NOT what started it.
I have been made extreemly aware that “THE BUCK STOPS” with you Linda, but even YOU do not have the authority to give the CEO position away.
I have tried to resolve this. Our staff has tried to resolve this. Your response was more nasty comments and insults. You have made your position very clear. There is NOTHING more I can do.
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