Walking into Stitches hands

equal justice
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We had our board meeting
« on: Today at 07:39:31 PM »

We had our board meeting. It was agreed that Lets has been harassing me and pm ing and emailing people as a “war on Cheryl” and has said he has told them HIS story and “everyone” is on Let’s side.
It was agreed that Lets has been told and emailed and Pm’d over and over again in the last month and he adamantly refuses to stop.
I compromised in what I would accept several times in the meeting.
It was discussed that we need a policy.
I pointed out that we DO have a policy and have had a policy and read the policy to the board.
The policy is clear!
EVEN OUR BYLAWS ARE CLEAR! But everytime I said I wanted something, I was shot down.
Oh we should tell Lets as of today that he has to follow the policy. Yea sure, like anything else has worked with lets and HE DARN WELL KNOWS THE POLICY AND WHERE IT IS> He was in staff and discussed the policy multiple times.
SO it all kept comming down to letting Lets continue what he is doing even tho he has been told for over a month to STOP IT>
When I read the policy and that too was shot down in Lets favor I just said ok you can have lets…I quit..
The choice for me was that I either let lets continue what he has publicly declaired he is going to keep doing and just deal with it, or I go. I think I have made it quite clear for the last 3 days that I have had enough of being abused and maligned on my own forum.
The 3 other members of the BOD that were there, LINDA
OH and Linda says I am very bitchy and mean to people on the forum….that she cringes when she reads my posts…sure would have been nice to know THAT before this…she always told me I was great and that she and I were interchangable.
Things sure did run well in the 3 weeks to a month she was gone when she was sick and then moved…I didn’t RUIN SOSEN then.
Linda has finally spoken up about how she feels about me as a COO and that is NOT GOOD!
OK I AM GONE>

Lets and stitches win.

Stitches knew this was going on. She posted in SOA about a coup taking place at sosen and said I would be gone. Probably she was one of our members that Let s pm’d , of course not knowing she was stitches. Way to walk right into AZ’s hands

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely

lindape54
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That is NOT what happened. Ask Static and Topwop. Cheryl is mad because I will not PUBLICLY yell at Lets in the forum. My COO needs to lead by example.

equal justice
SOSEN Staff
Member

Hmmm I have a tape of it Linda, and that is just what happened.
You all decided that we could not tell Lets on the fourm to stop
I compromised to just making a general statement that members were not allowed to send subversive PM’s emails or telephone calles against others.
That was OK for just a hot minute and then that got talked down.
So I said that Billm, Lobster and Static and me have weighed in and said that lets should go… that was unexceptable.
It was all about…Lets tell Lets that he has to stop this, in a pm.
We have been doing that for over a month and it STILL is not working.
you guys talked about needing a policy.
I said we have a policy and I read some of the pertenent parts.
Well, suddenly having a policy that is posted promently in FIRST STOP SOSEN POLICY was not good enough either.
We need to post that policy in National and give lets another chance.
Everyone who knows Lets KNOWS DARN WELL HE HAS READ THE POLICY AND HAS USED THE POLICY IN THE PAST>
After a hour and 45 minutes of being told that everything I suggested was not acceptable and that Lets was going to stay even tho he has been trying to get me kicked out of SOSEN for a month and even Stitches of AZ knew about it Lets stays and Cheryl GOES.
I think that pretty much sums it up.
AS I said I have a tape of the meeting if you think I am not telling the truth.
There was a lot more in that hour and a half.
Like me reading the post Linda says I was personally attacking Lets and Lets was not mentioned in it at all. NOT AT ALL> All I did was make a general statement that subversive pming and emailing should be reported to staff. NO MENTION OF LETS WHATSOEVER…if he took it personally it was because he knows he is guilty of it.

equal justice
SOSEN Staff
Member

SO now you deleted my good by post to the members I have worked with and slaved over for just as long as you have?
That is SO wrong!

this was all it said

It has been my privilege to work for, and with all of you. SOSEN has grown so much in the last year it is incredible. It has become a force to be reckoned with. I have been fighting this battle for 4 years now and I have learned and grown so much in that time. I have accomplished things I could never have done were it not for the grace of God equipping the called, and of course for every one of you.
I think the hardest and most painful battles I have fought were ones that occurred within SOSEN.
I can take what ever the Anti’s throw at me, but I am vulnerable to those I have trusted and called friend.
I have also never been one for self aggrandizement. What I have done, I have attributed to SOSEN. We are a TEAM! SO I will not make this into an “ALL THAT I HAVE DONE FOR SOSEN” speech.
I simply wanted to tell you all that you have been my family and I Love you. Every moment of this battle, every stress and pain has been worth it and more, each time I read an article that tells at least some of the truth, every time someone says “thank God I found SOSEN” every time a reporter or legislator changes his mind on these horrible laws. And especially when someone gets back on their feet or wins their freedom from the lifetime of abuse the Scarlet Letter of Sex Offender has placed on them.
I will NOT be starting a new group or forum. The RSO support and education community does not need another forum. It needs everyone to stand TOGETHER, in NUMBERS too big to ignore! I will, however continue my advocacy. I will continue to fight with every breath I have in me. I will just be doing it on my own now. I would love for you all to know exactly why this has happened, but I cannot do that on the forum. I am sure you will hear much rumor and one sided bologna, but I can only trust those who know me to know that it would take something really big to make me leave SOSEN. Believe me, if there had not been a war waged against me, and it be allowed to continue, I would not be going anywhere. SOSEN has been my life. I will now make a new life. I thought I could remain at SOSEN as just a member, but with the vitriol going on behind the scenes, that chance is looking slimmer and slimmer.
You all take care of yourselves now! Many of you have my email address and for those who do not have my phone number and may want to call contact Billm and he will know who it is safe to give my number to. I don’t have to tell you to stay strong and keep fighting the good fight, because I already know you will.
God Bless you all. I will miss you.

Stitches, you were right, there was a coup going on against me. I laughed at you when you said that, but I guess the last laugh is on me. The thing is, you may have taken MY voice out of sosen, but there are MANY MORE voices there! Mine is not the only voice. In the grand scheme of things, this is only a very, very small victory for you. SOSEN will remain strong and will remain a very large thorn in your side. I DO get the last laugh on that one.

What the hell do you find so threatening about that linda?

lindape54
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NO Cheryl YOU said That On of two thing had to happen. Either I pyblicly yell at Lets on the forum or he goes. Sound like an ultimatum to me

equal justice
SOSEN Staff
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You have a problem with your short term memory, bet I know why. Thats why I taped it.
I compromised several times and the compromises were not accepted.
EXACTLY what I said happened, happened.
ASK STATIC OR I WILL BE haPPY TO SHARE THE TAPE
and you did not answer why you deltetd my good bye message. There was nothing wrong with it

lindape54
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Cheryl Take a deep breath. Sleep on this.. You are STILL TRYING to air dirty linen on the board

equal justice
SOSEN Staff
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I tried talking to you and top and static for an hour and 45 minutes.
Nothing I said was good enough.
You all chose lets
END OF STORY

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
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Cheryl I am still willing to work things out with you. You do not have to leave. Please stop reacting with pure emotion and take a deep breath. Sleep on this. We love you. You HATE to be told you are wrong.. Something else is happening with you then just this.I am worried about you. You need SOSEN as well as we need you. Cheryl you and I have always worked well together.
Linda

klpsupermom
SOSEN Staff
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I am sorry it had to end like this….Cheryl please reconsider and work on this…. sad1 sad5

billm
SOSEN Staff
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Just curious, Received a pm that members looking at who’s online shows Cheryl as hidden. Have never seen that before

equal justice
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All you have to do is to go into your profile and click the button that you do not wish to show your online status.
For some reason that lists you as hidden.
Who in the world would pm you about that and how would they KNOW it was me?

topwop
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Member

topwop@gallatinriver.net

Cheryl,
I am sorry you are gone you will be missed. You have done a great amount of work here and accomplished much.

You never mentioned that you were recording the meeting, and permission was never granted. That is too bad. That also is very unprofessional.

You should play that tape for the people that are interested, it is very revealing. You also need SOSENS permission to do so. You have mine.

Your picture of a battered woman with her mouth taped shut is in appallingly bad taste and needs to be removed immediately. That is also very unprofessional.

Your willingness to reveal and twist what was talked about in a SOSEN Board Meeting also is very unprofessional.

I am tired of your threats to quit if we do not give you your way.
I personally accept your resignation and wish you well. If you ever wish to come back we will deal with you openly and honestly and you will be welcomed.
Best of luck and best wishes.
topwop

equal justice
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Yep, I taped it because I knew Linda would not admit what took place there. I have no intention of sharing it with anyone as long as no one lies about what was said. How the heck am I twisting anything when I have the tape of the blasted conversation.
I went directly from the meeting to post this thread and it was PAINFULLY fresh in my mind.
I have not threatened anything, I stated a fact. I compromised over and over and over again and it was never enough.
You all had SEVERAL choices. You asked me what I needed, I told you, I compromised on that time and time again.
In the end, after an hour and 45 minutes when you stated that the posted policies, that Lets has read and commented on multiple times needed to be posted in National and lets given another chance to repent. When YOU KNOW that there is NO way to tell what he is doing in a pm and has stated he will not stop till I am gone.
SO I had a choice either deal with Let’s abuse and total non support of the CEO who said I was mean and nasty in my posts on the forum and she CRINGES when she reads them…I am just mean and nasty and hold grudges…
What other REAL options did I have but to quit? NONE It was not a threat, it was a promise.

The ex coo said “I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I”

Friday, October 31, 2008

The ex coo said “I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I”

topwop
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topwop@gallatinriver.net

THIS FIGHT ENDS TODAY
« on: June 03, 2008, 08:09:29 AM »

SOSEN COMES FIRST OUR MEMBERS COME FIRST THIS FIGHTING STOPS TODAY

Enough is enough.
Linda has NEVER issued Cheryl any ultimatum, neither have I or anyone else. We have all over and over again ASKED Cheryl to simply take some time, compose herself, and stop posting to this insanity.
Cheryl was told at a BOD meeting by Static, Linda, and I that her demands that Lets be publicly flogged was not going to happen, it is unprofessional and not going to happen, when you have a problem with someone you deal with it privately. That is the respect EVERYONE gets in this organization. She then demanded that his account be deleted or she was gone. AGAIN we told her that was not going to happen and WE compromised that we would talk to Lets “AGAIN”, but that was not enough for her so she quit and hung up.

I have stayed neutral on this and have been trying to play peace maker, but no more.

SOSEN COMES FIRST
Our ex coo has put herself, her feelings, her wants, her needs and her desires ahead of everyone and everything WE are trying to do. Reading back through her threads what stands out to me is I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,.

She “claims” Lets and Flower attacked HER? Where are these phantom posts?
I have seen nothing, nothing that I feel is inappropriate. But yet I have talked to lets on two occasions and have had full cooperation from him. Go to his member file and read his last posts……nothing. Cheryl does not like lets and lets does not like Cheryl.
The difference to me comes with the 30 smites she has given him these last several days. We as BOD and you as Staff do not get the luxury of picking sides but must deal with “FACTS”. We all talk about hype and hysteria, emotion vs facts, apply it!!

Fact: Cheryl deleted lets very appropriate posts, called them “garbage”
Fact :Cheryl has backed everyone in a corner with “it’s Let’s or me.
Fact: Every conversation WE have had with her gets twisted around.
Fact: She knowingly secretly recorded our BOD meeting, that’s “ILLEGAL”.
Fact: She refuses to take blame for any of her actions, instead points the blame on anyone and everyone that will not take HER side and stand with her.

No one need take sides against a fellow SOSEN member, something she demands.

We have all been dragged into the middle of this by one person only, as members we do not deserve or expect this, we are volenteers on another more important mission that we need to get back to working toward.

This fight stops today, Cheryl’s has taken her bat, ball, and glove and left on her own only because “WE” will not take sides and give in to her.

I have tried to stop this, so have many others.

Putting Lobster in the position to delete her because once again she knows Linda will not is unfair to him and to her. It only plays on pure emotion.

Give me the authority to do this and I will do what for right now is in SOSENS best interest. I as BOD will accept this unpopular duty. This is why I was elected to BOD by staff, to sometimes make unpopular decisions. SOSEN COMES FIRST!
Cheryl is and will always be welcomed to come back here, but under the terms we all accept not under her mandates and demands.

Cheryl, I will miss you, god bless and come back when you are ready.
topwop

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member

AMEN!!!!

lobster1138
SOSEN Staff
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she already deleted her own account, the deletion is just waiting for admin approval… once she deleted it, she could not log on anymore…

i’ll go ahead and “approve” the deletion… don’t want to, but i’ll do it…

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member

NO let it sit there!

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
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too late! I STILL want Cheryl to come back. SHE NEEDS TO STOP FIGHTING WITH THE ANTI’S!! IT IS changing her. She was over there again last night. She needs a couple of days AWAY from the computer.

coolrich001
SOSEN Staff
Member

Cheryl needs the time to regroup. I hope/think she will be back. There is no way we can easily replace her.
Granted, anyone can be replaced. The key is how much pain it causes the organization. That is why I can fight with my boss, ask him what part of his butt he pulled his latest “idea” from and still have a job the next day.

MomOf2
SOSEN Staff
Member

I have had to take some time away from my computer myself. I HAVE a full-time job, and can’t do more than little bits at work. SOSEN is important, very important, but it’s beginning to make my significant other uncomfortable. I had to take some time just to keep peace at home because Cheryl was NOT acting professionally. Thanks for putting everything so clearly and concisely.
I HOPE (with the new rules for staff behavior posted on the sticky) that this will run a bit more calmly. We get enough from outside. We shouldn’t be doing it to ourselves.

Yours for grace and mercy,
Lois

coolrich001
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I am on the same sinking ship. I work 50-60 hours per week. That iws why I am not around that much.

“East German Stasi” Part 1- Sosen deletes posts and rips new ones

lindape54
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reported post
« on: January 14, 2008, 08:43:45 AM »
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nkrso wrote this in the thread I NEED HELP A gay man is in a domestic violent relationship and asked about housing in Fl I also noticed nK karma is-6

Re: I need help!!!!
« Reply #6 on: Today at 12:12:20 AM »
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can you go to that bridge where there are other RSO?

I doubt your partner will follow you there. and that way you won’t be alone.

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letsgetreal50
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Karma: 16

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minus 6 is not good. How this guy ever made it to Roar’s BOD is beyond me. But it does explain one reason why Roar is so ineffective.

I say, delete the post. We cannot recommend “under a bridge!”

Or just raise hell about the post.

Lets
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Billm
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I thought his comments were in poor taste.
I’m concerned that comments by people like nkrso are being used against SOSEN by people like WASP and AZ.

Posted by ( Stitches77 ) on January 1, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
It could also be used to counterbalance their acts of civil disobedience. You know, how Sosen said to make hundreds of email accounts and register them so the system is overburdened and can’t function?
Oh, yeah, and how they encourage destroying GPS monitors just to cost the taxpayers more money knowing it will have to be replaced? Why, Kevin Misner was destroying 3 of them a week. He estimated he had already cost the taxpayers over 10,000 just in replaced GPS monitors.
And let’s certainly not forget their plan to use liquid latex on their faces so they can’t be identified. Can’t forget that one.

They are trying to make the comments of one member to appear as policy of SOSEN.

IMO, I think we at least need a disclaimer.

Here is a sample that would need to be modified for our use.

Disclaimer

Views expressed in the articles published in this site are solely those of the authors and do not reflect those of the publisher or the editors of YoursDaily.com.

I have seen some that say do not necessarily reflect

letsgetreal50
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I agree with this disclaimer:

Views expressed in the articles published in this site are solely those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect those of the publisher
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static
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When I saw that post last night, I was in the process of ripping nkrso a new one, but I read it again and I’m not sure he didn’t mean it sincerely, so I waited to see what you all thought of it. I have had my problems with nkrso, but I’m starting to think he’s just dumb. Or at least I hope so- some of his posts in the past have been potentially harmful, and I’ve tried to monitor his posts in order to respond appropriately. I just don’t know if he meant it as a snide comment, or if he actually thought it was good advice. Those of you who know him better- let me know, and I’ll respond accordingly. He seems to back off quickly when I get on him for posting dumb things..

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letsgetreal50
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I think he is either dumb or trying to make sosen look bad.
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static
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I didn’t know he was BOD of another organization. That could explain a lot…

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letsgetreal50
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I questioned Betty of Roar concerning him and she told me he was a BOD member.

I’ll see if I can dig up her e-mail.
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letsgetreal50
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Quote from Betty:

“NK was one of the very first people that joined Roar. He is also on our Board of Directors.”

Betty

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static
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I see someone already deleted his assinine post, so let’s just keep our eyes on this guy. I’ll verbally bitch-slap him if he keeps getting out of line. For some reason, he doesn’t argue with me much…
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Billm
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Quote from: static on January 14, 2008, 11:21:51 AM
I see someone already deleted his assinine post, so let’s just keep our eyes on this guy. I’ll verbally bitch-slap him if he keeps getting out of line. For some reason, he doesn’t argue with me much…

Wouldn’t it be better to remove the post then PM him, politely explaining it was in poor taste and not acceptable in this forum. Do it in a nice way and if he can’t agree with that, it’s time for him to hit the road. We definiely don’t want to respond to him where wasp and az can read it.

letsgetreal50
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Go for it.
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Billm
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I tried, but wasn’t as polite as I would like to be. Sorry

Here is PM I sent him.

Regarding this post by you:

“can you go to that bridge where there are other RSO?

I doubt your partner will follow you there. and that way you won’t be alone”

I’m sure you meant well, but IMO it was in poor taste. It’s very important we think before we post on SOSEN. How would you feel if you were seeking help and received a reply like that. Please be more considerate of others in future comments. Have a great day
Bill

letsgetreal50
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Nothing to be sorry about. Tell it like it is.

Lets
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static
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Quote from: Billm on January 14, 2008, 11:41:59 AM
Wouldn’t it be better to remove the post then PM him, politely explaining it was in poor taste and not acceptable in this forum. Do it in a nice way and if he can’t agree with that, it’s time for him to hit the road. We definiely don’t want to respond to him where wasp and az can read it.

Bill, your a better diplomat than I. I’ve had a few “run-ins” with nkrso, so I’m a little biased. You’re right about the way we should handle this..
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klpsupermom
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Bill,
I thought you handled your response very well and appropriately. No need to be sorry.
Kathy

Sosen isn’t the Gestapo “Put up or shut up”

static
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Anyone else notice this?
« on: Today at 05:58:13 AM »
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Ok- here we go again… And of course Lets is in it up to his eyebrows. Isn’t this the same Tmax who left in a tizzy the last time we disagreed with his and Lets’ “vision”?

http://forum.sosen.us/index.php?topic=4716.msg24124#msg24124

Author Topic: Better Focus! (Read 29 times)
tmaximus95
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Let’s be Activists!

Better Focus!
« on: June 01, 2008, 05:37:53 PM »
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I think SOSEN should focus on support and education issues, and become a real therapeutic type of site. It’s just my opinion, but SOSEN is all over the place, and doesn’t appear to focus on personal support. I think that’s where SOSEN’s niche should be. There’s a great number of caring people here, but no one’s getting anything material done. Things with substance that affects us all.

The bottom line is that I think that SOSEN should stay focused on support and education, and let other sites focus in their own areas. There’s so much fragmentation and disenfranchisement going on that it’s a wonder that we could ever get anything solid done about these laws.

Warm Regards.

TMax.

WillySO
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Support and education are highly important. I share your views on that. Speaking only for myself, I will say that I get all I need of that from everyone. Being here has been a terrific family experience for me and done me worlds of good. May I suggest you be very specific about what it is you think we are not doing in this area?

What I find myself in disagreement with is your view (if I read you correctly) that the work we are doing to actively influence and change some of these laws is mis-directed. There are highly organized and determined groups out there working to further restrict and punish us for our crimes. To sit idly by and not take an active role in the politics of this issue seems like a big mistake for me.

I think we can, and do, do a great job of both support, education, and active political action. If we seem disorganized and scatered it might be because you don’t see everything that goes on behind the scenes. We are a diverse group with many, often contradictory, opinions. Somehow in spite of that most of us understand that the thing that unites us in this battle is much stronger then those things that sometimes put us at odds with each other.

As the lowest of the low on the publics list of dispised ex-criminals we are all very aware of this culture’s willingness (dare I say eagerness) to judge us as being unfit to live. I can’t speak for anyone else on this, but let me say that having gone thru what I have gone thru tends to make me less likely to judge others. Sure there are some folks here to love to shout and disagree. Sometimes they make unnessary trouble for others. But I am reluctant to judge them cause I am far from perfect myself.

We know that God and our mothers forgive us for what we have done, now the battle continues for the public at large and our legislators in particular. In my opinion support and education are important but far more important is the job of fighting these stupid laws.

If we just lay down and take it, we have given these victims rights groups just the outcome they wanted all along.

I guess I still have fight left in me. Depends on the day really. Today was a good day.

Willy

LetsGetReal

Re: Better Focus!
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2008, 08:47:26 PM »
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Tmax, I know and understand what your saying. However, your post is too short and needs more information.
If I can interject something here. Yes. Sosen is primarily a support and education and hopefully always will be. Support is vital to the individual and family members. Education is also vital. Members tend to educate one another by posting, reading the news as well as scientific fact and empirical data. We comment on the forum, learn from one another on the board.

The forum is certainly a good place to be whether your a lurker or active.

I think what becomes frustrating to those who want to do more is the fact that sosen does not have enough workers who are diverse enough at taking sosen down several paths at one time.

It’s tough enough doing what sosen does with the amount of people that get involved. A handful end up working their butts off, while the majority stay disconnected from coming forward.

That’s always been the case as I comprehend it.

Now, I know where your coming from as I know what is going on. I’m excited about it.

Why not write a letter and submit it to staff. Explain what your allowed to reveal, as I know much is TOP SECRET. and it is in my opinion HUGE to the cause. There are several things happening as we speak.
This I can say, there are now 5 more state sites being built. and four specific sites each dealing with specific issues. And more will come.

I believe what Tmax is saying is that we need to understand one anothers function and purpose and be very supportive of one another. We need to do this by forming a coalition of CEO’s of various web sites and become united like never before.

Sosen is the very best Support and Education network in the world. We, can all in our own right be the best that there is. cfcoklahoma is just getting started as is 5 others. In time, TOGETHER, we will become the strong force that together brings down these unconstitutional laws.

I’ll shut up and wait for Tmax to put his thoughts down and send them to staff.
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http://forum.sosen.us/index.php?topic=3475.msg24122#msg24122
Re: I’m a journalist deeply troubled by SO laws and treatments
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2008, 05:30:46 PM »
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I believe what’s needed is articles showing the positive aspects of former offenders who’ve been successful in the community. I also think the articles should focus on the injustices being perpetrated on kids because of this onslaught of hatred and contempt for the truth.

This battle against sex offenders was won through angry emotionalism, and it will be defeated in like kind. That goes against what most people believe, but for the nice folks that think that being soft when your rights are being stripped from you is the way to go, well please, stay away from me. For anyone that wants to become a REAL ACTIVIST, please contact me here, or through my email.
Anyway, it’s nice to see some journalists with some ethics and integrity on this forum. I wish there were more like you, I think?

TMax.

http://forum.sosen.us/index.php?topic=4715.msg24121#msg24121

Topic: Hi All! I’m TMaximus95 (Read 33 times)
tmaximus95
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Hi All! I’m TMaximus95
« on: June 01, 2008, 05:21:00 PM »
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I’ve been around for awhile, and have become an activist of sorts since the inception of these sex offender restrictions policies. I’m a leader, and a doer. I need to find a support home, where sex offender support and education is happening within the realms of sex offender recovery. I can be an emotional guy, but I’m too pissed off right now to be emotional

I believe that together, all of us, we can overcome the stupidity incorporated into these sex offender laws. We need to confront our representatives and point out the evil of their ways. We must be nice at first, but then, kick their butts if they don’t listen. I’m ready, are you?

I want to only be associated with activists that believe in material/real accomplishments. I don’t believe that posting gripes on an internet forum is where it’s at. I think the real battle is on the streets, with your neighbors and representatives. It’s better to make a friend through honesty, than it is to make an enemy over complacence.

Let me know if there’s anything I can do to help out with RSO Counseling, advice on relapse prevention, emotional support, and the education for those things. Are you freakin’ kidding me?!

You may want to visit my new site: http://www.rightsandlaw.net for strictly LEGAL topics on civil and human rights issues.Ah yes- the inevitable plug for your own site while downing Sosen. Why didn’t he just put it in his sig, like his buddy Lets did?

Warm Regards,

TMax.
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Am I the only one who sees what’s going on in our forum? It was bad enough with Vanguard and F1 constantly insinuating that SOClear is where it’s at- Now I guess Tmax and Lets are in the mix. Personally, I’d be more than happy if they would all go over to SOClear with their claptrap. If we are so ineffective, why do they come here to promote themselves and their latest stupidity?

static
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: Anyone else notice this?
« Reply #1 on: Today at 06:07:16 AM »

We’d better figure out what we’re going to do with the SOClear radicals (this includes Lets)- I’m finding it more and more difficult to not use the old “flame thrower”. And once the flaming starts, it ain’t gonna be easy to douse the fire. angryfire

billm
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: Anyone else notice this?
« Reply #2 on: Today at 06:12:42 AM »

I see everything that goes on and it’s obvious that Lets is using SOSEN to push his own site.

static
SOSEN Staff
Member

Well, everyone does that. But what’s with all the SOClear people? This has been a quiet little problem for a while now. Lets is just aligning with them to further his own cause. But we’ve lately had a lot of SOClear promotion on the forum. And it’s usually coupled with criticism of Sosen. Ya gotta wonder- if we’re so ineffective and useless, why are they coming here instead of going to the marvelously effective SOClear? Tmax said he wants nothing to do with our brand of activism- so why’s he here? And isn’t it a bit odd how all of this smacks of coordination amongst these people? It would be an interesting exercise to look at who has been PMing more than normal (and with whom).

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member
Karma: 65
DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

We need to just watch them. They are members and have valid points. This is a small close knit community.

I am not changing SOSENs focus. The “angry SO” is not how SOSEN goes about things.

I think everyone is at edge. We are not the gestopo here. Let folks talk if it is not hurting SOSEN.

coolrich001
SOSEN Staff
Member

My gut reaction is to have TMax, and those like him/her develop their own program and do it under the SOSEN umbrella. If T thinks we need more support, let T be the SOSEN counselor. That is, if T has the credentials, which I doubt.
It is the old, ” put up or shut up” gambit.

static
SOSEN Staff
Member

No. uh-uh. Tmax shouldn’t be offered anything remotely like a leadership position- especially in our Therapy area.

I find it hard to believe that anyone here is unaware of what a few of our members are up to. Tmax’s posts, in particular, are divisive. This has nothing to do with the current controversy around here. I posted about this a while back in a thread titled “SOClear”. Thus far, there has been no action taken. We can sit and watch them some more- but I think we’ll be watching as they put the nail in the coffin of Sosen if we don’t start taking this seriously NOW. How much more “watching” do these people need before we decide to actually moderate the damn forum?

This thread is really just a repost of what I’ve already posted previously about SOClear- I’m doing the responsible thing by posting in Staff and trying to get some action. I’d be lying if I said that I’m not going to take care of this myself if all we can do as a group is drag our feet. Consensus is nice, but it doesn’t facilitate quick response. Margaret Thatcher said that consensus is the absense of leadership. We are the leaders of Sosen- we’d do well to lead ASAP.

There is much more going on in the background than we are admitting. There was a bit of a vacuum left when SoHopeful collapsed. We are the best ones to fill that vacuum. Unfortunately, SOClear is determined to do the same. The difference is that we aren’t sending our members over to SOClear to troll around for new recruits. They are doing this to us. And they are regularly downing Sosen in the process- and posting stuff which will be used against us. And Lets is right there with them, doing the same. Either we quickly come to terms with this, or I will.

No- we aren’t the Gestapo, but we are supposed to be moderating this forum. Otherwise, why do we even have a Staff? I’m doing the responsible thing and discussing this in Staff, instead of giving these idiots a verbal pounding. Meanwhile, they are still on our forum “doing what they do”. I won’t sit on my hands much longer.

So far, the only thing Staff has offered as a solution is to keep watching these idiots destroy us from within- are there any other suggestions? Because at some point, we are going to have to decide whether we are going to moderate this forum, or simply let the inmates run the asylum. At some point, we need to start actually running Sosen the way we see fit. I’m putting this out here so that we can reach a consensus about what to do. But doing something involves action. It’s time to clean house. Or we can “support” ourselves right into oblivion.

Cheryl’s not here- so who’s going to volunteer to be the “heavy” when we need it?

According to every person I’ve talked to, everyone is in agreement that if it came down to a decision between Lets and Cheryl, we’d all choose Cheryl hands down. But so far, Cheryl is the only one on moderation right now. I don’t really care who’s right and wrong- this is unfair. Everyone agrees that Lets started this- so why the hell isn’t he being muzzled like Cheryl is? We may not like Cheryl’s approach sometimes, but is there any doubt about what Lets is doing? And now because we’ve let him sit on our forum garnering his own version of “support”, we’ve got a whole group of people to deal with and Lets is making sure to be right in the thick of it. The situation as it currently stands is unacceptable. And frankly, we’d better do something about it very soon.

Here’s what I propose-

BOD agreed that Lets had only one more chance. He has used up his chances. He has been repeatedly warned by Linda for over a month now, and is obviously determined to continue his assinine behavior. Seeing how BOD agreed that this was his last chance and he was walking on thin ice- it’s time for Lets to go. Before anyone disagrees with me on this, I’d ask you to not only state your disagreement, but give good reason to keep him around- and also offer some other solution. If you can’t do this, then he needs to be shown the door.

Then we need to bring Cheryl back- no strings attached. She owes Linda an apology for some of the things she said, and Linda owes her an apology for punishing her while allowing Lets to do the same things. And that’s where this little controversy ends. Here’s what no one seems willing to say- Yeah, Cheryl posted about Lets in subtle ways in National. But he did it first. And Cheryl was the only one to be held accountable for doing this. To date, Lets has yet to be sanctioned in any way, and he continues to make Sosen all about him. Cheryl has shown no signs of being like Shirley- she just got pissed. The worst that would have happened is that she would’ve continued to argue and be pissed- that doesn’t deserve her being effectively banned from voicing her opinion. If we’re willing to say that Tmax, Lets, Vanguard, Fallenone, etc. have a right to voice their opinions when their opinions are so obviously antiSosen, why is it ok to muzzle Cheryl. What no one wants to admit is that when it comes to Lets, Cheryl was right. There’s no shame in admitting this and fixing the situation. Then, after we’ve dealt with the real threats to Sosen, we can all yell at Cheryl. It’s really dumb to deal with Cheryl as some sort of threat, yet let these idiots continue to actually BE threats. The truth is that if we didn’t have this current distraction, we’d be dealing with these important things. It’s time to hit the “reset button”, forgive and forget, and start taking care of SOSEN.

We can sit and argue about Cheryl all day long and get nowhere. Meanwhile we have members who are disrupting our forum and we are doing nothing but “watching”. If we’re all in agreement about Lets and his cronies, why are they still here? If we get rid of Lets, it’ll send a message to the other disruptors, give us the moral standing to be able to moderate appropriately, and it will also make it possible for Cheryl and Linda to drop this argument. The truth is that even if our CEO and COO weren’t fighting, we’d still better start moderating our forum or it’s going to get out of hand quickly. But when you consider that this would also help to end this stupid argument, it’s really a no-brainer. And any members who would choose to follow Lets out the door are probably better offf with him than here being “rabble-rousers”. I suspect that most of them would come back to us pretty quickly anyway. And it doesn’t really matter if we were to lose half our membership- our job is to run Sosen, not allow every malcontent to destroy us from within. This is simple- he needs to go, and so does anyone else who wants to come here to be disruptive. There really shouldn’t be any disagreement about this. If we need to have a formal vote on this, fine. But let’s “get ‘er done” and quit pussy-footing around the issue.

Can ya tell I’m sick of this? laughing7

billm
SOSEN Staff
Member

I’m very aware of it. I ran a music sharing hub with over 300 members and always about 70 people from all over the world connected at any time. Always had to look out for the Let’s and Tmax’s trying to take over. Unfortunately for them, the server was running on this computer.

static
SOSEN Staff
Member

This is the PM exchange I had with Lets over his “Karma” thread. And here’s the thread- http://forum.sosen.us/index.php?topic=4734.0

Keep in mind that Lets told me about his little “Karma war” about a week and a half ago. Which means this thread was intentionally misleading and disruptive. Am I out of line? Also notice that I didn’t delete anything- I simply locked the thread before Lets turned it into another one of his rants.

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Quote from: LetsGetReal on Today at 07:12:51 PM
Static, do you have a problem with me? If so, let me know. But for sure don’t pass my communications to you on to others without my permission to do so.

Lets

Lets- There has been a lot of things going on in the background that I wasn’t aware of. Now we basically have a crisis in Staff. I’m irritable and sick of arguments and distractions. I apologize for bringing up our phone conversation, but that thread is just silly. And it disrupts our members who didn’t really care about Karma points before. You can’t post a complaint about this forum being abused if you are abusing it too. Or at least not without expecting a response. You know as well as I do that this thing with Cheryl has gone too far. I’m not picking a side- other than being on the side of SOSEN. This thing between you and Cheryl has been a major disruption and I’m putting a stop to it. That’s my job- I don’t care who’s right or wrong or who started it, this has gotten out of hand and is hurting SOSEN. I’m not taking a side, but I am going to respond to needless arguments on this forum. You were dishonest about what you were doing with Karma points- and basically sayng that it’s a flaw with SOSEN. No it’s not. It’s a flaw with the people who choose to abuse the Karma system. Since you participated in it just as much as whoever smited you, you have no reason to blame it on SOSEN or our forum.

static
SOSEN Staff
Member
Ooohhh…. SNAP!

Just received this from Lets and Flowergirl. Odd how they seem to always respond at the same time, huh? I’m only posting this stuff so that my actions will be known by all. I’ve seen what Lets is capable of and it’s best to keep everything above-board when dealing with him.

Re: (No subject)
« Sent to: static on: Today at 07:50:56 PM »
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Thanks for the PM. Lets bashing isn’t going to solve a friggin thing. I want you to know that I have absolutely no personal animosity toward Cheryl. NONE.

What we spoke about on the phone was between you and me. I honored that and I expect you to also. Yes I did smite her but I put it back as karma. Yes others were smiting her and there is nothing I could do about that.

Our discussion concerning Cheryl was private and I related to you why I, Flower and Book38 resigned from staff. I would think that Cheryl’s outrageous behavior would cause you to think about what we talked about. It only confirms in my mind what I shared with you. THAT was to go no further.

You have not been in staff to know enough concerning what we went through with Shirley and other situations.

Cheryl did help build sosen into what it is today, SO DID I! I play a very significant role in getting sosen on it’s feet.and so did many others. Linda, Lee Lee, Flowergirl, Book38, etc. You came in after the dust settled.

When I came to the old sosen yahoo group there was only about 150 members. Sosen was several years old and going know where. Today, a year later there are 400 and growing.

I would like to see Cheryl back, doing what she does, not reacting to what she thought was going on.

It makes me wonder who was feeding her misinformation to make her go off like she did. I hope to God you were not running around telling tails out of school. Someone was feeding her bits and peices and for some reason she thought she had a whole picture.

That’s all I can figure was someone was being a lacky for her. She sure as hell didn’t get it from me. She has everything so twisted that it makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Again, I HAVE NO PERSONAL ANIMOSITY against Cheryl. She does have a control problem If that weren’t true than Flower surly wouldn’t have lefe and neither would have Book38.

Now, with that out of the way. I still want to meet you when you come to Tulsa. I do want the disk you promised. I’m hoping there is alot of information I can use.

I think we’re screwed now with the Ohio decision. I too am on sosen’s side and do not want to see any harm come to it. In fact, I’m looking forward to seeing sosen be the very best “SUPPORT” site ever. I am doing things that will assist in that and for sosen to also be the BEST EDUCATIONAL Network on the web. It is and it will be better.

I hope Cheryl does come back and presses ahead with issues that matters to all of us

I need a beer.

Rod

(No subject)
« Sent to: static on: Today at 07:53:55 PM »
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Don’t mean to be a busy body but all of that Karma and Lets stuff should have been handled in a PM … just my opinion but when I read it I felt like I was snooping in someone’s personal email. I’m telling Let’s the same thing … not taking sides! this is one of my pet peeves … I hate coming to a professional/private forum and reading harsh/personal exchanges.

Well, yes- it should’ve been handled in a PM, but Lets decided to post about it and subtly act like it’s a SOSEN problem when it’s really just a Lets problem. I really have a great deal of respect for Flowergirl, so I’m a little disappointed that she is participating in Lets’ games so much.

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member
*
Karma: 66
[applaud] [smite]
Posts: 943
DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

Static You are new to forums. There are ways of handling things that just ESCALTE things or calms them. You my dear are ESCALATING things. The time spent verbal jousting with LEts could have been put on a letter to Cheryl that you said you would write in last nights staff meeting! Now because of that Cheryl is going to delete her membership at 9 pm

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member

There is something in the works from a few RSO agencys that would make us more powerful as a whole. I just found this out today. Bear with me. I was asked to keep it private until it is a sure thing. I KNOW that SOSEN will want to be included in it.

static
SOSEN Staff
Member
Ooohhh…. SNAP!

Quote from: lindape54 on June 02, 2008, 09:23:44 PM

There is something in the works from a few RSO agencys that would make us more powerful as a whole. I just found this out today. Bear with me. I was asked to keep it private until it is a sure thing. I KNOW that SOSEN will want to be included in it.

Ok- first off, I didn’t escalate. I did my damned job as a moderator. And I reproted back to staff on my every action. Wow- what an out of control idiot I am! And whatever is “in the works” has not a thing to do with the problem Lets is. And btw- we already tried the RSO counsel thing- am I the only one who sees that joining forces with all the other groups is half of what causes our problems?

You asked me to become a staffmember. You asked me to join BOD. In fact, you were the one who brought me into this stupid fight betwen you and Cheryl. I’m neither a hot-head, nor a reactionary. But I saw it with Webstuff (and was right) and I see it with Lets (and I’m right about him too). I was told that a big part of my responsibilities here is to moderate the forum. So far, every time I do, it’s called “escalation”. No offense, Linda, but if I’m so out of control, that really reflects badly on your judgment, because you asked me to be here. “Your way” isn’t working. If you’re going to second-guess everything your moderators do, then there’s really no need to have moderators in the first place. I suppose Bill, Chris, Cheryl, me, and Gospelgal are all out of control wackos… Because we all see what you are turning a blind eye toward. At some point, you’re going to have to consider the fact that you are human and very well may be wrong. This isn’t an attack- I know how much this situation has taken its toll on you. But you don’t seem to recognize that you are basically tying our hands, then expecting us to build the house of SOSEN. It’s time to re-evaluate, Linda.

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member

Why are we bothering with meetings? Static PERSONAL attacks do not belong on the forum. Fine you guys think you can run this place? I QUIT

static
SOSEN Staff
Member

I didn’t attack Lets at all. What I say about him here has no bearing on how I dealt with him on that thread. He started a thread that was not factual, argumentative, and silly. I responded appropriately with several good, truthful replies. When it became personal, I didn’t respond, I locked the thread. None of that is an attack- it is called moderating the forum.

Everyone here knows what Lets was doing with his stupid smiting games- I’ve told you about our phone conversation and his PM’s basically admit to it. So that thread was nothing but a lie and an insinuation that Sosen has somehow dropped the ball, when it was really Lets’ stupid smite war that caused the problem. I responded appropriately, and in fact exercised way more restraint than I should’ve. that is not in any way an attack. It was good moderation.

*I* am the CEO and she’s *MY* Sarah Tofte

letsgetreal50

Linda,

What’s up with Sarah?

letsgetreal50

For a person who is suppose to be all excited about this symposium and “IS IN,” sure doesn’t seem like she is interested at all. She is disappointing me big time.

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member

I do not know what is going on with Sarah. She has not called me back I was out one week and she was out the other. She speaks all over the country. All I can do is keep trying. Why don’t we just go ahead and write the letters for other speakers just saying that Sarah was invited to speak also

letsgetreal50

Well, Ive made a decision. If I don’t hear from Sarah this week than I’m cancelling the symposium.

I cannot tell you how let down I feel. Very few people even visit the Ok symposium web site because no one gives a good rats ass.

I’ve had more people than I can count ask me if they could help and after I reply, I never hear from them again.

Example: Stick said he would do the bumper sticker. Great, I liked the one he did and asked him for pricing and never heard from him again. I have PM’d him at least 4 times AND HE DOES VISIT THE FORUM FREQUENTLY. THERE IS NO REASON OR EXCUSE TO TREAT ME LIKE THIS.

I’ve had people ask me if they could help on the CFCoklahoma site. I say yes, and never hear from them.

If people arn’t serious when they open their mouth, then they need to keep it shut!!!!!!!!!!!

I am sick and tired of the sex offender community. Lazy people who dug the hole their in and refuse to help themselves out. They seem to expect everyone to do their part for them.

Most in staff know that when I say I’ll do something, it’s money in the bank. I expect no less from anyone else. Say what you mean and mean what you say.

I put in a lot of hours, drove to OK City, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Fuck it! Just FUCK IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets

static
SOSEN Staff
Member

I’m at my Gf’s house on the other side of the state right now, and don’t have access to my hard drive, but I’ll get the Ok legal info to you as soon as I can. I have also put out the word about the symposium to many people in my network and they trust my word. Can I guarantee that all or any of them will show up? no. But I gave them my word and if I’m going to be their source of info, they have to be able to trust what I tell them. As for Sarah, who made the decision that the symposium depended upon her participation? There can be other speakers. I was under the impression that we were contacting many people to speak. Why be rude to them and cancel on them just because Sarah hasn’t answered in a time-frame that is acceptable to you? And who in the world told you she would be available to you whenever you beckoned? I’m not trying to be rude here, Lets, but if you make me look like a poor source of info to my network, just because Sarah isn’t at your service, you are doing me, my network, and in the end Oklahoma, a disservice. We don’t have a boat-load of SO’s in Ok. We certainly don’t have many members from here. Thwarting the network I’m trying to build will let me down a bit more than Sarah has let you down. If you want to cancel the Symposium, that’s cool- but do it now, so I can tell all the people that I’ve contacted (trying to make it a success) and tell them in a timely fashion. I’m not trying to pressure you into holding the symposium if you feel that it is not going to work. In fact I have some reservations about it’s success myself, and we can always try some other time- it’s no big deal right now to cancel, and no one can say you haven’t put your all into this. But maybe it would be more successful at a later date- you may be right. What I’m trying to make clear to you is that if we cancel, we need to do it now, to avoid getting in over our heads and embarassing SOSEN and ourselves- either by cancelling at the last minute or holding an amateurish symposium. So Lets- if you want to cancel, we can do that with minimal damage if we do it now.

I just re-read what I’ve written in this post and it reads like I’m griping at you. I hope you don’t take it that way, because I didn’t mean it that way at all. If you cancel, I’ll support your decision. If you don’t cancel, then we need to not base all our hopes on Sarah. If she can do it, she’ll let us know, but we can have other good speakers ready just in case.

bronkv
SOSEN Staff
Member

I’m sorry to hear how you’re feeling Lets, I’d like to help out with the OK Symposium, but with looking after my mother and children, I doubt that I’d be able to attend. I’m sure I could help out with other parts of the Symposium though (brochures, website etc), I just don’t know where to start (maybe we could kick around some ideas in the Education Committee?)

I agree with Static, I don’t think the Symposium depends upon Sarah’s appearance. I think it would be great if we could just get our voices carrying the truth out there, and just make our voices heard. It would also be good if we could get video of it and put it up on the main page.

letsgetreal50

Well, Just when I get to the end of my tether, Sarah Tofte sends me an e-mail apologizing for the delay and promises she will get back to me this week.

Now, we only have 8 weeks to prepare and I have made it clear to the committee that I am as green as a spring apple. I need writers movers and shakers. I’m going back to committee and see if I can move and shake them into action. I do not see that we have enough time,

Stick promised to make bumper stickers for a fund drive. He doesn’t respond to my e-mails, and other members blah, blah,blah. We are running out of time.

equal justice
COO, Media Director
SOSEN Staff
Member

hey Lets, I am glad you got a response from Sarah. I am kinda confused tho, wasnt Linda the contact person for Sarah?
Just wondering.

letsgetreal50

Let’s just be thankful that Sarah responded and will get back to us this week. We have work to do and that is what it is all about. As Static says, his “credibility is at stake.” So is mine, and so it is with others. We have a great opportunity to have a great impact here so we need to focus on that.

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member

I am confused also Rod. I have been cultivating my relationship with Sarah for 3 years. I asked you when I was in the hospital not to contact her, that I would take care of it. I get MANY MANY reporters sent our way because of her. If you want me to do something, I do it. I do not appreciate you writing to Sarah when I asked you not to.

letsgetreal50

Sorry, but my writing Sarah does not interfere with Sarah referring to you or you to her in anyway shape or form. I’m not going to get into any kind of argument or politics. Sarah’s e-mail address is public, and anyone can e-mail her for any reason. She is not owned by anyone and neither am I.

I spent a good two weeks collecting monies and coordinating for you and your husbands move out of VA and into Ohio. Lets just be glad Sarah finally responded, because I was ready to quit this entire effort. I’m very sick and tired of all these RSO’s who do nothing but want everyone to do for them. That makes up 90 percent of our membership. Sorry, thats just where I am right now. It’s one of those things.

I’m a doer and go getter. I don’t have time for those who want to sit on the sidelines.

I wished you knew who and how many volunteered to help with my site AND the symposium, only to never hear from them again. Incredible. It makes one want to throw up their hands and say. Well, I already expressed that

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member

Rod
I do not like my toes being stepped on. You asked me to do something. I did it. The last time I checked I was the CEO. The CEO asked you not to interfere with her contact. You can take care of the whole damn symposium I QUIT

letsgetreal50

Now that’s one hell-of-a-way to treat someone who went ALL out for hours and days on end, to help you and your husband. You have no idea of the phone calls I made across this country to get you out of that evicted slave shack situation. I guess that’s gratitude for you. Ego is a bitch

I think this is more of a ego problem and is reminiscent of the Shirley days. If you want to take your ball and go home, that’s up to you. Pretty immature from where I sit.

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member

Call it what you want. I am nothing like Shirley and you know it. I specificly asked you NOT to write to Sarah, to let me handle it. I worked for YEARS helping her and gaining her trust. You overstepped your bounds. PERIOD I am the CEO here not you. The CEO asked you to honor that request for a reason You KNEW when you wrote Sarah that I would not be happy with it but you did it anyway.

letsgetreal50

Your problem isn’t with me!!! Why Sarah chose to respond to me and not with you lies with Sarah. You have been calling and e-mailing and like you said, You couldn’t understand why she wasn’t responding. You said, she always responds immediately to you. Ask Sarah.

The good news is like I said, she responded and will get back in touch this week.

Letsgitoverit

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member

Rod
I worked with Sarah for 2 years on the HRW report before anyone even knew who Sarah was.I know how busy she is. I am very protective of her just like she is of me. The point is you asked me to contact her and take care of it. I was. I asked you to let me handle it. You totally ignored my request. That is what I am upset about.

letsgetreal50

Well, I didn’t totally gnor you. You had a couple of months to get a reply and that never happened. I did what i thought I had to do because of the late date. I explained to Sarah that the committee was at a standstill until we heard from her. And it was. Time is running out and there is much money to raise and committee will have to get the lead out of their ass and get busy.

Sorry to have disappointed you. Glad Sarah responded. Yes, you are the CEO and I have ALWAYS respected that. I am the committee chairperson and need all the help I can get. When I see someone failing, I’m the one who gets in there and does things to make it happen.

You may feel disrespected and I understand that. However, absolutely no harm done to your relationship with Sarah Tofte, there is no reason why you cannot continue to do what you have been doing.

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member

Rod
I love and respect you. I am sorry. Let us just put this behind us now. We have work to do.
HUGS
Linda

letsgetreal50

Amen, I do love and respect you too.

hugs, Rod

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Thought you might find this interesting..

http://www.imperfectparent.com/articles/articles455_1.php

Like watching a presentation of what goes on in a slaughterhouse while eating a steak dinner, sometimes it’s better to live in ignorant bliss. After all, if we spent our entire day dwelling on all the cruelty and injustice in the world, most of us would wind up in the fetal position under the covers and not get anything done. There are those that take it to extremes, and never watch the news for this very reason. “Too much death, sadness and destruction,” they say, “I’d rather not know.” Same goes for the dangers that face our children – sometimes you just want to play at the park, or snuggle and read a book, and not dwell on potential evil awaiting them such as online predators.

But in the interest of child safety it’s our duty to be aware. This new breed of predator has taken away the idea of our home as a safe haven as they infiltrate through the bandwidth coming in from the wall. A child can longer be carefree. A parent cannot rest or be taken off guard. As soon as children are old enough, they must learn that there are people out there that are ready to prey on them as if they were animals in the wild. It’s certainly enough to make your heart ache and your stomach twist with worry. But it also makes us angry. These perverted minds don’t have the right to take away our children’s innocence. They don’t have a right to ruin children’s lives they’ve never even met. These pedophiles have no remorse, no compassion, and only a collective grassroots effort will help shut them down once and for all.

Fortunately for us, there is a vigilant group of extraordinary individuals who offer up an enormous amount of their time and resources to save children from the dark shadows of fear and pain before it ever happens to them. They are superheroes, flying through cyberspace, each with their own unique strength. They are not afraid of these pedophiles; in fact, they look them straight in the eye and say, “Bring it on!”

They’ve been dubbed the “Antis”, as in anti-pedophilia/anti-pedophile. The cowardly online predators have perhaps finally met their match — the Antis have law enforcement and a large host of volunteers on their side, as well as knowledge and resources. The Antis resolve is determined and unfaltering. They work day and night to destroy the child molester’s ability to prey on children and shut down their support networks, and they will not rest until every pedophile becomes the hunted instead of the hunter. So far, they have been wildly successful. The folks behind blogs and websites like ACME Cleaning Services and Absolute Zero have contributed to shutting down hundreds of pedophile blogs, websites, social groups and support forums.

While some forms of pedophile propaganda are protected by the First Amendment, that does not always apply when the websites promote criminal behavior or conspiring to hurt, violate, rape and molest children. Also, since the blogs and websites are on private hosting services, they are subject to the host’s “terms of service” (TOS) usage policies which prohibit certain behaviors.

Some of the more popular sites, such as Perverted Justice, have thousands of members. Perverted Justice is best known for its partnership with Dateline NBC’s To Catch a Predator with Chris Hansen. Perverted Justice has long been part of sting operations in which no children are ever involved. Instead, adults, acting as children, set up profiles and wait for predators to solicit them. Perverted Justice has also recently launched the “Wikisposure Project”. Using the wiki format ala Wikipedia, Wikiposure has categories which include state sex offenders with their rap sheets and full profiles included. Unlike Wikipedia, however, edits are controlled by a select group of people instead of being open to the public, for obvious reasons.

Absolute Zero takes a similar route — contributors write exposés on pedophiles and pedophile websites. Run by some of the bravest volunteers on the planet, their comments section is full of pedophiles putting forth a lot of effort to protest the Antis’ work, with pathetic results for their efforts. After spending little time on the blog, it is clear that the predators are feeling the effects of the tables being turned. To use the old cliché, the hunters have now become the hunted. Absolute Zero has been accused of conducting a “witch hunt”, but this dedicated group remains undaunted.

ACME Cleaning Services are expert “scrubbers” of pedophile porn and adult exploitation websites and blogs. Through various methods, a team of dedicated individuals work tirelessly to take back blogs originally containing pedophile propaganda

When asked about support and obstacles in the war on internet pedophile terrorism, “Rez” from ACME Cleaning services says, “Anyone who supports what we do is helping and aiding us. Lazy, incompetent people who won’t remove pedo[phile] filth are occasionally a hindrance. But we’ve been able to convince a lot of them that it’s better to be on the side of right. We’re still working on the others.”

We asked “Jacey” what made him interested in hunting down predators and pedophiles on the internet.

“I know victims of sexual abuse, when you’re close to someone who’s been abused you’re also living with the after effects sexual abuse,” Jacey says. “When you’ve seen what it does to someone, you develop a pretty big feeling of hurt/anger/pain against people who spend their time trying to legalize this shit - sleazoids that treat the violation of someone else body as nothing more than a joke or an obstacle that stands in their way.”

Many other Antis have also come into the fight after being victims of abuse themselves. One such person is “Violet Leaves”, who says, “I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. I want to stop these monsters from hurting another child. I also have daughters of my own.”

The fight is definitely personal for her — she spends over 40 hours a week on the cause, with her purpose being, “to make people aware of the dangers of pedophiles, exposing pedophile lies, and propaganda.”

The Antis movement is not without criticism. Some look down on what they consider vigilante methods, harassment, entrapment, and violations of free speech. Perhaps Sues, who also puts in full-time hours towards the Anti cause, meets this objection with sobering clarity when she says, “Free speech does not mean free to do harm. Plastering pictures of children on the internet for other pedophiles to use for pleasure is harmful. Encouraging adult-child sex is harmful. Offering ways to keep from being caught by parents and law enforcement, while gaining access to children is harmful. Talking about how sexy a toddler is in diapers is not only harmful, but disgusting as well.

“These are just some of the things that pedophiles do. They claim that web hosting companies deny their right to free speech to talk about raping children. That statement alone shows how wrong they are.”

Sues, referring to her child advocacy work and her website, “Warriors For Innocence was started by my brother and me. We branched out and wanted to create a place that was family friendly in the midst of a nasty subject. Educating the public on how these predators work is so important. It is a large part of what I do. If everyone knew how these monsters operated, there would be a lot less victims out there.

“During my time online I have seen some horrific images of child abuse and rape. It has changed me and driven me to continue hunting the monsters that prey on our children. Those images are forever burned into my mind. It is because of that abuse that I fight the evil that is the predator.

“My reason for doing this is simple and I state it every time in my signature: ‘I hunt and fight monsters. If I can help to get even one monster off of the street and away from kids, then it was worth any amount of effort.’”

Many of the Antis are also contributors to Absolute Zero, which acts as a main hub of information about pedophiles and exposes their communications and multiple identities. Comments are allowed from both Antis and pedophiles, which creates a unique and sometimes compelling environment. Many pedophiles post under the guise of wanting to help or of being an Anti themselves — this ruse rarely lasts very long, however, as the Absolute Zero contributors and followers are astute and expose them before they have a chance to be taken seriously. The site owner, “Stitches”, is a master of cyber-detective work, putting pedophiles on notice and educating the public while briefing her legion of dedicated writers and volunteers.

These sites are not for the faint of heart — they are full of truth and facts that most parents would rather not know. It is stuff that nightmares are made out of, yet this group of very special people are not afraid. They’ve made a pledge to fight for the “safety and emotional well-being of all children” and will not rest until the war is won. The world is a safer place due to these extraordinary individuals, and as parents we should be grateful for the work they do and hopefully have a new appreciation for great deeds that never get the full attention they deserve.

fallenone
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Re: Cyber Warriors - A new breed of superheroes battle online child predators.
« Reply #1 on: Today at 01:30:50 PM »

And who did they pay off to promote this crock pot of shiitake mushrooms?

equal justice
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Re: Cyber Warriors - A new breed of superheroes battle online child predators.
« Reply #2 on: Today at 02:08:04 PM »

Maybe it is run by one of them. Have you ever even HEARD of the imperfect parent before?

fallenone
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Re: Cyber Warriors - A new breed of superheroes battle online child predators.
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2008, 10:40:44 AM »

I believe AZ’s efforts are nothing more than propaganda– Ironically, they run sites called girl/boychat and other pedo sounding sites. They create their own blogspots, claiming that sight was once a pedo site. Essentially they are using the strategy from the movie, “Canadian Bacon,” in which they are creating a fake war for the sake of popularity. I found a blogspot called “monsterinthecloset” or something like that, and it has the absolute zeroes retarded template and the bold claim that blogspot was once a pedo site. Yeah, right. And Saddam had “weapons of mass destruction.” I don’t respect absolute zeroes et al because they make up stuff to justify their own sick sadistic pleasures.

REALITY CHECK:

Some blogs are available in Webarchive

Original Site - Visit with Caution
Current version - Hijacked by Anti’s

Original Site - Visit with Caution
Current version - Hijacked by Anti’s

Original Site - Visit with Caution
Current version - Hijacked by Anti’s

Original Site - Visit with Caution
Current version - Hijacked by Anti’s

Original Site - Visit with Caution
Current version - Hijacked by Anti’s

Original Site - Visit with Caution
Current version - Hijacked by Anti’s

static
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Re: Cyber Warriors - A new breed of superheroes battle online child predators.
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2008, 09:23:56 PM »

It’s pretty obvious to anyone who really checks them out, that they’re not interested in protecting kids, raising awareness, or anything else noble. Those things- if they happen at all- are just collateral benefits to their real passion.

Think about it- they aren’t wrong when they say that there are “pedos” on the web, talking about and sometimes attempting to harm kids. So, if that’s true- why do they bother with us? I see no one here doing any of those kinds of things. Our purpose is nothing like those kinds of sites (see notice at top of page). I can understand how- given the AZ world-view, they would see us as the enemy, but if their primary goal is protecting children, wouldn’t going after the people actually attempting to harm a child now be the first priority? But it’s not- discrediting us is their first priority. In fact, most of the time, they only really mention the truly dangerous sites when they try to somehow connect them with us. So, Az says there is an “epidemic” of online pedophile sites, online predators, kiddy-porn rings, but somehow we are their number one enemy… Doesn’t quite add up, unlesss they’re just full of crap to begin with.

This is all I’m writing about AZ for awhile- I’ve noticed they’re getting a lot of undue attention on the forum lately, and I don’t know why this new panic is taking hold of all of you. The best way to deal with them is to ignore them. Besides, it’s not like they’ve even accomplished much lately. They’re too busy trying to figure out how to save themselves in court. Let ‘em fade into obscurity- it’s more than they deserve.

robin2005
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Re: Cyber Warriors - A new breed of superheroes battle online child predators.
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2008, 02:29:42 PM »

I agree with EJ… Superheroes? LOL I just got a mental image from the movie “The Incredibles” where the little costume lady refuses to make a cape for Mr. Incredible because of all the superheroes who met their demise when their capes got sucked into airplane engines, caught on a skyscraper..etc… laughing7

Harvardphd123
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Re: Cyber Warriors - A new breed of superheroes battle online child predators.
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2008, 08:43:13 PM »

That article is the biggest load of crap I’ve smelled in a long time.

ZMan!
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Re: Cyber Warriors - A new breed of superheroes battle online child predators.
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2008, 10:14:09 PM »

The way I see it, their intentions are good, to shut down true pedophiles and child porn sites, but they do not do that. They target ALL sex offenders, claiming they are all pedophiles and support pedophilia, which we all know is a load of BS.

Other states have proves their own police force can do this, so why do we need vigilante groups like PJ or AZ, etc doing this? Because I think they police are USING them as proxies. So if something goes wrong, the vigilantes get sued instead of the police force. Someone else to blame instead.

If they would stick to their original intentions, then IMO, it’s good. But the way they do it is not.

static
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Re: Cyber Warriors - A new breed of superheroes battle online child predators.
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2008, 11:30:06 PM »

I’m probably going to get yelled at by someone for this, but here goes:

I’ve seen how AZ, et al, “outs” certain pedophile sites like boychat, nambla, etc. A lot of people aren’t aware of these kinds of sites, even the ISP in some cases. If all the vigilantes ever did was help get rid of sites like that, I’d support them to my dying breath. The problem is that these groups aren’t satisfied with only going after online predators and pedo-propaganda- they deem anyone who disagrees with them “pedophile” or “pedophile enabler”. And even then- if they had evidence to back up their claims, I’d support them. But I’ve seen too many instances where someone who disagrees with them is subject to their on- and off-line harassment, with no evidence of any wrong-doing, other than whatever the “editors” of wikisposure feel like writing about them. To be fair (and they don’t deserve fairness, considering the lack of it in their dealings with others), they have run a lot of “critters” off the net- and that’s a good thing. But then they lump everyone they wish to harm into the same catagory as the real creeps.

There are many serious problems with the way these groups operate which, if detailed, would fill a library. But a few are:

They use the same “ends justify the means” excuse that has been used by most evil people since the dawn of time, thus destroying any credibility they may have had.

Groups like this foster an “us versus them” mentality, which eventually grows to include, not just their stated targets, but anyone who dissents from the prevailing group orthodoxy. (This is a major problem with the collectivist mentality as a whole, btw)

In the process of gaining power and recognition, they inevitably must add more and more “enemies” to their lists. Otherwise, what would they do if they ever won- just pack up and go home?.. Not likely…

There is a certain arrogance involved in casting yourself as judge, jury, and executioner- which leads to an overall increase in neuroses, combined with an over-inflated ego (not a good combo- in fact, not all that different from the “monsters” they claim to fight). Any RSO who has been through treatment can tell you about all the distorted thinking that must occur before an otherwise normal person can commit an offense. The vigilantes aren’t immune from the same screwy thinking as a rapist before he commits the crime. In fact, the thinking patterns are essentially the same… and equally dangerous to society. One person manifests his messed-up thinking sexually, another decides to harm others under the guise of “protecting” someone or something. Mentally, they are much more alike than different. This is one of the primary reasons I’m against these people. Anyone who’s been around here very long knows I’m a stickler about not getting into screwy thinking, and quick to respond to a member who demonstrates it. Why should the vigilantes be immune from being questioned on their own “distortions”? It is good, both here and in socety, to point out distorted thinking. I don’t like it when it appears on this forum, and I don’t like it when it is held up as some sort of heroic deed.

IMO, the only real difference between these so-called “heroes” and a SO about to re-offend is that the SO doesn’t have some numb-skull, like the author of the above article, to applaud their offense. People like that are enablers, just as much as a parent giving silent assent to the victimization of their child.

Perhaps, along with “pedo-enabler” we need a word to describe “online, arrogant, harassing, abusive nut-case enabler”? Oh yeah, there is a word for it– “moron”.

This is obviously from a small site that either doesn’t check their facts, or is run by the viilantes. I’m not giving it any more attention… What the rest of you do is your business.

(and to the trolls- feel free to quote me)

oldman_inmaine
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Re: Cyber Warriors - A new breed of superheroes battle online child predators.
« Reply #8 on: Today at 12:40:12 AM »

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There is a certain arrogance involved in casting yourself as judge, jury, and executioner- which leads to an overall increase in neuroses, combined with an over-inflated ego (not a good combo- in fact, not all that different from the “monsters” they claim to fight).

I agree with just about every thing you wrote, I to see the same behavior in the “monsters” they take aim at. This group seems to be thinking like Pol Pot, and stating ” My conscience is clear”. While given orders to cleans the earth of the his monsters. BangHead

static
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Re: Cyber Warriors - A new breed of superheroes battle online child predators.
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2008, 11:24:26 PM »

Speaking of the “superheroes”- March 14th is Stitches’ 33rd Birthday. Everyone be sure to wish her a happy birthday if you run into her… she needs all the “good will” she can get…

Iron Fist Linda, If you don’t like it “Smite Me”

lindape54
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Crisis of Conscience
« on: June 02, 2008, 10:47:11 PM »

My integrity mean everything to me. i will not be part of an organization that thinks it is Ok for staff member(static) and our COO to post personal attacks in the national forum. credibility credibility credibility It only gives PJ ammunition.

We had 2 meetings about this. And know everything that was discussed last night and Sat night means nothing. We have a policy and procedure That means nothing. thanks Static for writing the letter you said you would write to Cheryl.

I will not be given ultimatums.

I am working my ass off to get SOSEN national attention.There is a reason I do everything that I do. I have NEVER been accused of not being fair and reasonable. I will not let inexperienced members dictate to me how to run a forum or how to network with the other RSO agencies, So clear etc….

Cheryl crossed WAYYYY over the line. The Lets problem has already been decided on twice.

Linda

static
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Re: Crisis of Conscience
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2008, 11:25:23 PM »

I’ve attacked no one and won’t respond to this attack on me other than to say that I am actually a Board member with the same vote as you. I didn’t “dictate” anything that I wasn’t specifically asked to weigh in on. The person who asked me to intervene in your fight was you. My actions and words are very reasonable, and I’ve been equally tough on Cheryl for her part in this. The reason you aren’t privy to what I’ve said to Cheryl is that she is no longer allowed to communicate here, so my words to her had to be offered in emails and phone calls. I’ve given my opinions as anyone else here is allowed to do. The only time I “told” you or Cheryl what to do was when I demanded that you both stop acting like nincompoops. That particular subject was the one you asked me personally to weigh in on.

Everything else you see as some kind of attack is nothing more than me doing what I’ve always done and been lauded for- offering my opinion. I can’t help it that I’m the only one willing to say the things that we all are thinking, and I shouldn’t be discounted. I’m just as valuable as anyone else. There was a reason you called me and asked me to intervene in your fight- I can only assume that it was because my opinion mattered to you. But ever since I’ve gotten involved in your stupid, petty fight, you’ve belittled me and acted like I have no right to express myself about what everyone but you and Cheryl can see is very unacceptable behavior by both of you. If I’m so inexperienced, out of control, hot-headed, and stupid- why would you have ver asked me to intervene in the first place? I’m sorry Linda, but you’re reacting toward me out of anger which I neither deserve nor will put up with. Before you see me as some “boy” who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground, you may want to think long and hard about what qualities of mine prompted you to call me and ask for me to intervene. And why you wanted me on Staff. And why you asked me to join the Board. And why you seem to have changed your mind now. I’m no Lets- I rarely do anything out of spite. And I’m not afraid to tell the truth- even when it pains me to tell it. I would respectfully ask you to consider whether you are taking out some of your anger on me without just cause. And I would ask you to think twice before running me out of Sosen or silencing me. I may be arrogant, but I think Sosen is better with me than without me- this is true of all Staff, IMO- Sosen needs all of us. I just happen to think that Sosen also needs Cheryl. Because you haven’t been able to see how hard I’ve been on Cheryl, you may have the impression that I’m one-sided in this. I assure you that I’ve said equally uncomfortable things to her. But those things needed to be said. Now the rest of us are just waiting with baited breath to see if either of you will listen. Cheryl is read only, so you have the power here to fix this or let it continue- she doesn’t. My every post since this crap started was trying to get either or both of you to see reason. For that, you are now mad at me. That’s ok, I’m thick-skinned, and I know that your anger toward me is misplaced. I’ve made no personal attacks against Lets- believe me when I tell you that there would be no ambiguity if I had. I think you know this…

lindape54
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Re: Crisis of Conscience
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2008, 11:34:22 PM »

You call Lets out by name on this thread

Re: KARMA
« Reply #28 on: Today at 07:44:46 PM »

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Oldman, I couldn’t agree more. Thank you for staying reasonable so often.

This whole thread is a bit much. Anyone who wishes to smite me, feel free. You see, Karma points on a web forum don’t have any effect on my self-esteem. I rarely even bother to notice how many points I have. Karma is a good thing for the reasons Oldman gave. When it’s abused, it’s more a reflection on the person doing the abusing than the person getting smited.

And Lets- aren’t you the one who told me you were engaging in a “smite” campaign against another person here? I have no problem with that- as I said Karma’s really irrelevant to me. But it seems to me that you can’t get upset about someone abusing the Karma system if you are doing the same. In the end, it’s really just a stupid feature of our forum, and harmless. And diddling around with someone’s Karma is stupid and childish- of course that applies to EVERYONE who does it.

If I got on this forum and posted that I think Billm is a jerk (I don’t think that, but it’s an example), I really have no right to complain when he responds in kind. The same holds true for Karma. So how about everyone quit belly-aching about something so dumb, ok?

(and feel free to smite me for this post)

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static
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Re: KARMA
« Reply #29 on: Today at 07:49:27 PM »

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No, “Applaud only” is the equivalent of no Karma at all. The truth is that Karma can be a very good way to give feedback to someone without flaming them. There’s a very simple solution to this problem-

Those who are engaging in stupid “Karma campaigns” should knock it off. And when they do engage in such stupidity, they should not complain when others do likewise. This is the solution. Anything else is just plain dumb.

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billm
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Thanks Static, for the compliment.

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static
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Re: KARMA
« Reply #31 on: Today at 07:54:52 PM »

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Quote from: billm on Today at 07:49:56 PM
Thanks Static, for the compliment.

What a jerk!

(Thank God you’re not as over-sensitive as some others around here…)

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LetsGetReal
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Re: Re: KARMA
« Reply #32 on: Today at 07:57:40 PM »

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No you have me mixed up with someone else static. I never engaged in a smite campaign against anyone. PERIOD. I don’t even know where you got that BS. I don’t do that and never did. That doesn’t mean I haven’t smited anyone, but after doing so, I went back and gave karma back

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LetsGetReal
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Re: KARMA
« Reply #33 on: Today at 08:04:42 PM »

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In my opinion smiting is no different than bashing. This is suppose to be a support Network and smite is being abused. so is karma. I say do away with the thing. It’s stupid. I don’t give a hoot if I only have 5 but when people for no reason smite than it’s stupid. Well, stupid people do stupid things.
What can I say other than it is childish and immature.

In a way, this thread tells me more than I’ve known concerning some.

Thanks

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static
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Re: KARMA
« Reply #34 on: Today at 08:11:13 PM »

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Lets- To coin a phrase- get real…

You told me about it in our last phone conversation. I didn’t take it very seriously because I honestly don’t care one way or the other about Karma- but you did tell me this yourself. I wouldn’t have brought it up, except that you are starting an entire thread complaining about someone doing the very same thing you were doing. I repeat- Karma wars are stupid. If you engage in them, you have no reason to complain when others respond in kind. What’s the big deal? If you wanted your old Karma points, you shouldn’t have deleted your membership. If you want to be at 50 Karma points or so again, then earn the points like you did the first time. Why is this such a big deal to you? This has got to be the silliest thread I’ve seen in a while.

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LetsGetReal
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Re: KARMA
« Reply #35 on: Today at 08:14:52 PM »

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Granted, it is a silly thread. but there was NO FRIGGIN SMITE CAMPAIGN You mis understood. PERIOD

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LetsGetReal
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Re: KARMA
« Reply #36 on: Today at 08:18:45 PM »

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Lets not get on the board the real reason I resigned from staff and my membership. I did NOTHING wrong. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It seemed to me that you were agreeing with my reasons as to why I resigned from staff. Unless of course you were playing me but that doesn’t fit you. I don’t see you as someone who would play another and then go behind their back.

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static
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Re: KARMA
« Reply #37 on: Today at 08:25:00 PM »

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Quote from: LetsGetReal on Today at 08:04:42 PM

In a way, this thread tells me more than I’ve known concerning some.

If you’re refering to me, I have neither applauded nor smitten anyone in months. As I said before- Karma is not very important to me one way or the other. This is a senseless distraction (one of many the past few days), and I have every right to say so. If you don’t like it, smite me.

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Kinsella
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Re: KARMA
« Reply #38 on: Today at 08:26:02 PM »

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I can’t beleive this thread is still going. Somebody on the staff make a decision and lets move on already. SOSEN is turning into a bad soap opera. Everyday we seem to spend more time attacking/defending someone. A lot of wasted energy if you ask me. If I didn’t know better I would think this was a chat room of middle schoolers.

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static
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Re: KARMA
« Reply #39 on: Today at 08:30:16 PM »

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I’ve betrayed no one. It seems that when I voice agreement on a few things, it’s taken to mean that I agree with everything. I don’t completely 100% agree with anyone most of the time, and I don’t hide my opinions.

This thread is going into off-topic territory and getting a little personal, so it’s now locked.

static
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Re: Crisis of Conscience
« Reply #3 on: Today at 12:17:18 AM »

Linda- would you please bring Cheryl back so that you’ll have someone to pick on besides me?

I’ve already explained myself on the other thread which deals with Lets’ Karma post. Everyone here knows that Lets was engaging in the very behavior he was complaining about. And to make matters worse, he was acting like it is some kind of failing of Sosen that this happened, when it was actually his own abuse of Karma that caused it. Now I could’ve told Lets what I really think about him, but instead I disagreed, gave damned good reasons for disagreeing and locked the thread when he started in on why he was “forced” to resign. Then I promptly reported here in Staff what was going on. These aren’t the actions of someone who is letting their anger get the best of them. Yes, I dared to use the mighty unmentionable name of Lets- this is because I was responding to him. If there’s some other way to respond to someone without using their name, I’d sure like to hear about it.

The truth is that you’re pissed and are using me as a whipping boy. You even called me “boy” on another thread. Knock it off. Or you will be as guilty of running people out of Sosen as you say Cheryl is. Kinda like Lets’ thread- you really shouldn’t complain about someone else’s behavior when you’re doing the same thing. I have tried to be patient because I know that this mess has put you under a lot of stress. But I’ve done nothing wrong to you or anyone else. I have and will continue to tell Cheryl when I think she’s wrong, and I’ll do the same with you. You were the one who dragged me into your fight. And you both are responsible for its effects on Sosen. Here’s an idea- think about your own part in this, consider whether an imperious attitude has worked thus far. Then think about trying something new. I’ve got as much right to my opinions as you- and I’m not currently bringing down Sosen because of a stupid grudge. Don’t you dare tell me about inexperience or bad judgment- it was your and Cheryl’s personal beef which started all this. I may be newer than you, but I’m not so new that I can’t see your irrationality. And unless you’re going to delete me next, I’ve got the same vote you have. Sheesh! If I’m such a nut, it sure doesn’t reflect well on your judgment- after all, every position I’ve held I was requested to hold. Now, it’s obvious that you have free reign to do as you wish. But as long as I’m still allowed to be here, I’ll damn sure express myself honestly. It would be wise to pick a new whipping boy. You brought me into this because you trusted my judgment. Have the courage to trust my judgment then… Because it’s obvious that your and Cheryl’s judgment is questionable right now.

So we can let this devolve into yet another argument, or you can go over to the thread you started -something about ending the drama- and respond to what I wrote there. I’m not your enemy, Linda- if you weren’t so pissed right now, you’d see that.